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October 15, 2007

    According to the Bible, God said to Moses, on whom be peace: I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brothers; I will put my words in his mouth, and he will tell them everything I command him. (The Holy Bible, New International Version, Deuteronomy chapter 18, verse 18). The prophet described in the above verse must have the following three characteristics: 1. He will be like Moses. 2. He will come from the brothers of the Israelites, i.e. the Ishmaelites. 3. God will put His words in the mouth of the prophet and he will declare what God commanded him. Let us see which prophet God was speaking of. 1. The prophet like Moses Some people feel that this prophecy refers to the prophet Jesus, on whom be peace. But, although Jesus (peace be upon him and all of God’s prophets and messengers) was truly a prophet of God, he is not the prophet spoken of here. He was born miraculously, and finally God raised him up miraculously. On the other hand, Muhammad is more like Moses; both were born in a natural way and both died natural deaths. 2. From among the Ishmaelites Abraham had two sons, Ishmael and Isaac (Genesis, chapter 21). Ishmael became the grandfather of the Arab nation. And Isaac became the grandfather of Jewish nation. The prophet spoken of was to come not from among the Jews themselves, but from among their brothers, the Ishmaelites. Muhammad a descendant of Ishmael, is indeed that prophet. 3. God will put his words in his mouth ‘Neither the content of the revelation, nor its form, were of Muhammad’s devising. Both were given by the angel, and Muhammad’s task was only to repeat what he heard.’ (Word Religions from Ancient history to the Present, by Geoffrey Parrinder, p. 472). God sent the angel Gabriel to teach Muhammad the exact words that he should repeat to the people. The words are therefore not his own; they did not come from his own thoughts, but were put into his mouth by the angel. These are written down in the Qur’an word for word, exactly as they came from God. Now that we know that prophet we must listen to him, for, according to the Bible, God says: ‘I will punish anyone who refuses to obey him’ (Good News Bible, Deut. 18:19). Jesus (on whom be peace) In the Glorious Qur'an The Qur’an tells us many wonderful things about Jesus. As a result, believers in the Qur’an love Jesus, honor him and believe in him. In fact, no Muslim can be a Muslim unless he or she believes in Jesus, on whom be peace. The Qur’an says that Jesus was born of a virgin, that he spoke while he was still only a baby, that he healed the blind and the leper by God's leave and that he raised the dead by God's leave. What then is the significance of these miracles? First, the virgin birth. God demonstrates His power to create in every way. God created everyone we know from a man and a woman. But how about Adam, on whom be peace? God created him from neither a man nor a woman. And Eve from only a man, without a woman. And finally, to complete the picture, God created Jesus from a woman, without a man. What about the other miracles? These were to show that Jesus was not acting on his own behalf, but that he was backed by God. The Qur’an specifies that these miracles were performed by God's leave. This may be compared to the Book of Acts in the Bible, chapter 2, verse 22, where it says that the miracles were done by God to show that he approved of Jesus. Also, note that Jesus himself is recorded in the Gospel of John to have said: ‘I can do nothing of my own authority' (5:30). The miracles, therefore, were done not by his own authority, but by God's authority. What did Jesus teach? The Qur'an tells us that Jesus came to teach the same basic message which was taught by previous prophets from God – that we must shun every false god and worship only the One True God. Jesus taught that he is the servant and messenger of the One True God, the God of Abraham. These Qur'anic teachings can be compared with the Bible (Mark 10:18; Matthew 26:39; John 14:28, 17:3, and 20:17) where Jesus teaches that the one he worshipped is the only true God. See also Matthew 12:18; Acts 3:13, and 4:27 where we find that his disciples knew him as ‘Servant of God’. The Qur’an tells us that some of the Israelites rejected Jesus, and conspired to kill him, but God rescued Jesus and raised him to Himself. God will cause Jesus to descend again, at which time Jesus will confirm his true teachings and everyone will believe in him as he is and as the Qur'an teaches about him. Jesus is the Messiah. He is a word from God, and a spirit from Him. He is honored in this world and in the hereafter, and he is one of those brought nearest to God. Jesus was a man who spoke the truth which he heard from God. This can be compared with the Gospel According John where Jesus says to the Israelites: ‘You are determined to kill me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God’ (John 8:40

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03:35 AM Nov 20 2007



by the way..i reliazed that in ur defence of Jesus being the saviour, you would bring me up the following verse,(which u should hav mentioned erlier itself):

"I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.  (John 14:6)"

It is important to know that most of the Bible, especially the New Testament, has general and controversial statements like this one.

Let us read the following(read it carefully..its NOT out of context):

"If you really keep the royal law found in Scripture, 'Love your neighbor as yourself,' you are doing right.  ( James 2:8)"  

"The entire law is summed up in a single command: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'  (Galatians 5:14)"

Jesus said: loving GOD Almighty so much and being nice to your neighbors will cause you to have eternal life.

Luke 10
25.  On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. "Teacher," he asked, "what must I do to inherit eternal life?"
26.  "What is written in the Law?" he replied. "How do you read it?"
27.  He answered: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind' ; and, 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' "
28.  "You have answered correctly," Jesus replied. "Do this and you will live."

Notice that the man's question was straight forward:

"What must I do to inherit eternal life?" 

No other question can be more straight forward than this.  

Notice that Jesus didn't talk about any trinity-lie concept, nor did he say to the man that he must accept Jesus as a mediator between him and GOD Almighty to win Eternal Life.  Jesus was pretty clear and straight forward here:  LOVE GOD ALMIGHTY AND LOVE YOUR NEIGHBORS AS YOURSELF.  That is simply all there is to it to win eternal life in Jesus' standards.

It certainly wasn't necessary for the man who asked the question to believe in trinity in order for him to be saved.  Jesus assured him Paradise if he believed otherwise.

Jesus a confirmed a second time that the Law of Moses is the way to "Eternal Life":

 Here is another incident where Jesus was asked the same exact question by another person:

Luke 18
18.  A certain ruler asked him, "Good teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?"
19.  "Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good ,except God alone.
20.You know the commandments: 'Do not commit adultery, do not murder, do not steal, do not give false testimony, honor your father and mother.' "
21.  "All these I have kept since I was a boy," he said.
22.  When Jesus heard this, he said to him, "You still lack one thing. Sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."
23.  When he heard this, he became very sad, because he was a man of great wealth.
24.  Jesus looked at him and said, "How hard it is for the rich to enter the kingdom of God!
25.  Indeed, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."

Notice, first of all, in Luke 18:19 how Jesus refutes the lie about him being GOD Almighty.  He clearly put himself below GOD Almighty and as only a creation of GOD Almighty when he said "Why do you call me good?....No one is good--except God alone."

Notice in Luke 18:20 how Jesus referred back to the Law of Moses.   The Law of Moses is the way to Eternal Life according to Jesus.   Jesus was twice confronted with the same question, and he "twice" had made it clear that the Law of Moses is the way to Paradise.

Now in Luke 18:22, we see Jesus adding another condition to the man only because the man was rich.  But the bottom line of Jesus' stand is still the same:

Honor the Law of Moses and you will win the Eternal Life in Paradise.

Here are more quotes that refute the dogma of trinity and the lie of accepting of Jesus as the mediator between you and GOD Almighty in order for you to win eternal life:

 Matthew 5:9-11 "Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven."

Matthew 5:8-10 "Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called sons of God."

 Matthew 5:5-7 "Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they will be filled."

Matthew 5:7-9 "Blessed are the pure in heart, for they will see God."

Matthew 5:4-6 "Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the earth."

Mark 12:29 "Here, O Israel:   The Lord our God is one Lord.

 The book of Ezekiel and the Old Testament clearly and directly refutes the "Salvation through trinity" lie!

"I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.  (Isaiah 43:11)"

"Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one.  ( Deuteronomy 6:4)"

"But if you do warn the wicked man and he does not turn from his wickedness or from his evil ways, he will die for his sin; but you will have saved yourself. "Again, when a righteous man turns from his righteousness and does evil, and I put a stumbling block before him, he will die. Since you did not warn him, he will die for "his" sin. The righteous things he did will not be remembered, and I will hold you accountable for his blood. But if you do warn the righteous man not to sin and he does not sin, he will surely live because he took warning, and you will have saved yourself."  (Ezekiel 3:19-21)"

As we clearly see, the Old Testament clearly and directly refutes that  salvation can only be obtained through believing in Jesus Christ as "GOD" who died on the cross for your sins. 

How are these verses from the book of Ezekiel supposed to agree with all of the lies in the New Testament about Salvation?  And ironically, and as we've seen above, the topic of Salvation in the New Testament is in contradiction!  The Bible has the worst contradictions and inconsistencies in the most important topic, Salvation!

So what is the way that Jesus talked about in John 14:6 then?

When Jesus said: "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.  ( John 14:6)", if we take the meanings of this verse in the same context in Luke 10:25-28 and the other verses that teach about love, harmony and forgiveness, then we would clearly see that the way that Jesus talked about is the goodness in you.

If you love GOD Almighty with your heart and soul and you are a good person and love people and always try to be the best example to every person you meet (as clearly emphasized and stretched in the verses above), then you will win the Eternal Life. 

 Accepting Jesus as the mediator between you and GOD Almighty (believing that Jesus died on the cross to purify your sins) is not necessary to win Eternal Life, and according to the Early Christians' doctrines as well during the 1st and 2nd centuries, Jesus never got crucified anyway, which is exactly what Islam also claims.

Jesus in John 17:4 further clarifies the Salvation concept and refutes the "closed-minded" Christians:

John 17
1.  After Jesus said this, he looked toward heaven and prayed:
2.  "Father, the time has come. Glorify your Son, that your Son may glorify you. For you granted him authority over all people that he might give eternal life to all those you have given him.
3.  Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.
4.  I have brought you glory on earth by completing the work you gave me to do.
5.  And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began.
6.  "I have revealed you to those whom you gave me out of the world. They were yours; you gave them to me and they have obeyed your word.
7.  Now they know that everything you have given me comes from you.
8.  For I gave them the words you gave me and they accepted them. They knew with certainty that I came from you, and they believed that you sent me.
9.  I pray for them. I am not praying for the world, but for those you have given me, for they are yours.
10.  All I have is yours, and all you have is mine. And glory has come to me through them.

As we clearly see in John 17:4, Jesus declared the completion of his work that GOD Almighty had assigned to him on earth.  In John 17:8, he prayed for all of those who followed him and believed in him and in the Commands that he brought to them from GOD Almighty.  In John 17:10, Jesus said that his glory is given to him (Jesus) through them.

All of this clearly refutes the nonsense that most Christians claim about those who don't believe that Jesus died on the cross for their sins are going to Hell. 

According to the verses I mentioned above, Jesus in the NT is clearly not the only salvation to GOD Almighty.   Otherwise, we are left with a major CONTRADICTION in the Bible between Jesus being the only salvation to GOD Almighty, and Jesus not being the only one.

so far Alhamdullilah, i have answered almost all of ur questions(by the grace GOD) and clarified them in detail. I advise u 2go back and start reading my replies from page-11 onwards again..so that u get the full picture in ur mind..ull find facts,questions,quotes  which the whole Christendom has been tryin to find the answers to since 2000 years..but yet they remain unanswered!

so I hope u take heed and get back on the straight path.

May Allah guide us all.

01:31 AM Nov 20 2007


Dear djgue,

Thank u so much for the wisdom clarifications, really it was the first time in all my life to c such a scientific and accurate comparison research, I ask GOD to keep your knowledge and keep going. To all friends all over the world let us be more close and to understand each others with a friendly way, we love u all , I Ask GOD to guide us all to the peace and understanding.

جزااك الله عنا كل خير واكثر من امثالك والحمد لله رب العالمين

12:05 AM Nov 20 2007



ur question on Bin-Laden..

well i rely dont whether he will go to heaven or not..bcoz im not GOD! Thats for God to decide..but when i said those are the TWO conditions to go to heaven did not mean that they are the ONLY conditions...there r more acts of worship to be performed...but those two are the Main Conditions for a person to be a MUSLIM..Islam is more than that!

but as far as Adam & Eve is concerned..lemme tell u..that Allah DID FORGIVE them..thats y and thats how they met together on earth..Allah made Adam & Eve a source for forming the humankind generation..odr wise u wudnt be here reading this & & u wudnt be enjoying all the worldy pleasures..Food..sports..Frnds..etc..& ges wat.. by now Adam & Eve will be back in Heaven.

yea my frnd..When Adam was sent to earth,he repented to Allah and Allah being the most merciful..HE forgave him...so dont try to twist things arnd and get urself confused here!

so i request u once again..open up ur mind b4 its too late..Jesus is NOT ur SAVIOUR, GOD is...And i proved it 2u from the Bible as well..but still u seem to refuse and be blinded, then nobody can help u...

Let me summarize my pointst for u..

Jesus cannot be ur SAVIOUR because:

1)Jesus did NOT DIE on the cross.(read my reply on crucifixion)

2)the doctrine of Jesus dying for OUR sin is baseless..its OPPOSES the Biblic teaching.

3)Jesus was not Raised up again(bcoz he was never dead). The resserection was taught bu PAUL who never saw Jesus alive and he admitted as well that the Ressesrection is his own teaching..& not by Jesus.

btw u also said that Jesus was tempted with evil to fight satan..firstly it still contradicts the verse that "GOD cannot be tempted with Evil" and it mentioned further  that Jesus SUFFERED..God wud never have to SUFFER!


03:00 AM Nov 18 2007



btw i never said.."those who have not been baptized will go to Hell"nor did i write anything about babies going to hell.

I beleve children are born without sin as said by BIble as well.. Read Matthew 19:14.

 i just wote that the doctrine of original sin that U beleive is agaisnt the teachings of BIble..

This is the Doctrine of Atonement, which was accepted by the Church three or four centuries after Jesus left the earth. It contradicts the Bible, as the following passages show:

Deuteronomy 24:16: "The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin.";

Jeremiah 31:30: "But every one shall die for his own iniquity ...",

Ezekiel 18:20: "The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him."

Adam and Eve were responsible for their own sin, which was forgiven by Allah .

Read what Jesus himself said in Matthew 7: 1-2

"Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again."

I Corinthians 3:8.

"Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one; and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour."

so beleving Jesus died on the cross is not gonna help u..bcos

1)its against the teachings of the Bible to believe in such a thing(or u hav to remove those verses from both the new and the old testament)

2)Jesus never died on the cross...

i alredy proved u that Jesus wasnt crucified with some of the the Biblical proofs(u dint reply on it) 

and the resserection is only a teaching of paul..

II Timothy 2:8.

"Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to my gospel" so why do we have to believe that he was crucified and raised from the dead?

Why do you believe in the resurrection if Paul himself, who never saw Jesus alive, admitted that the resserection was his gospel?

02:38 AM Nov 18 2007



ur reply with Genesis 1:26-27:
Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them .."

There are three key statements in the verses above:

1-  "Our Likeness"
2-  "Our Image"
3-  "Us" 

Let us now examine them in more details.

1-  "....after OUR likeness...."

Who is this human being that is like GOD?   Adam, the first creation of Mankind and the one in Genesis 1:26-27 certainly isn't.   The likeness of GOD Almighty is not the physical appearance, but rather having the knowledge of Good and evil.   This is clearly stated in the Bible:

"For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.  (Genesis 3:5)"

"and to put on the new self, created to be like God in true righteousness and holiness.  ( Ephesians 4:24)"

"Then the LORD said to Moses, "See, I have made you like God to Pharaoh, and your brother Aaron will be your prophet.   ( Exodus 7:1)"

"On that day the LORD will shield those who live in Jerusalem, so that the feeblest among them will be like David, and the house of David will be like God, like the Angel of the LORD going before them.  ( Zechariah 12:8)"

That is why in the Noble Quran, Allah Almighty Commanded all of the Angels to bow down to Adam!  The Righteous and true Believers from Mankind are even better than the Angels themselves.  They are the closest to Allah Almighty:

 And He taught Adam the nature of all things; then He placed them before the angels, and said: "Tell me the nature of these if ye are right."
 They said: "Glory to Thee, of knowledge We have none, save what Thou Hast taught us: In truth it is Thou Who art perfect in knowledge and wisdom."
 He said: "O Adam! Tell them their natures." When he had told them, God said: "Did I not tell you that I know the secrets of heaven and earth, and I know what ye reveal and what ye conceal?"
(Noble Verses 2:30-34)

By the way, on the literal sense, no one is like GOD Almighty:

"Tomorrow," Pharaoh said. Moses replied, "It will be as you say, so that you may know there is no one like the LORD our God.   (Exodus 8:10)"

"There is no one holy [ Or no Holy One ] like the LORD; there is no one besides you; there is no Rock like our God.  ( 1 Samuel 2:2)"

"For who in the skies above can compare with the LORD? Who is like the LORD among the heavenly beings?  (Psalm 89:6)"

"Who is like the LORD our God, the One who sits enthroned on high,  ( Psalm 113:5)"

2-  "....in OUR image...."

First of all, the word image also means example or similitude.  In Arabic, the two words are the same; "timthal" (image); "mathalona" (our image); which are all derived from the root word "mathal" (example), and I am sure that it is the same condition in Hebrew and Aramaic since all three languages are all sister languages.  Also in Arabic similitude means "shabah".  "Mutashabbihan" means to have a similitude of.

There is no question that the root words "mathal" and "shabah" in the Noble Quran were used for "example" and/or "similitude":

"Their similitude (mathalohum) is that of a man who kindled a fire; when it lighted all around him, God took away their light and left them in utter darkness. So they could not see.  (The Noble Quran, 2:17)"
"The similitude (mathal) of Jesus before God is as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him: "Be". And he was.  (The Noble Quran,3:59)"

so as we've seen above, "our likeness" only and only means knowing Good and evil in the Bible.  This makes both "our image (or example)" and "our likeness" refer to and mean the same thing.

It is important to notice that "OUR image" could also refer to the spirit of humans and not necessarily their earthly bodies.
n other words, it is not necessary that GOD Almighty has 10 fingers, 10 toes, ribs, lungs, heart etc... as humans have.  Also, if He is like us physically, then  Does he breath oxygen like us?   If not, then does He have lungs like us?

Does He eat?  If not, then does He have a stomach that digests and processes all of the food that it intakes like our stomachs do?
nd if GOD Almighty's Body doesn't process food, then why would He then need a bladder, kidney,like we do after we eat and drink, then what is the purpose of Him having these parts?  Or does He truly Have them??

hence it is clear that image and likeness ar nothing but methaphoric speech!

3-the WE in the Bible:
But he forsook the counsel of THE OLD MEN which they had given him, and took counsel with THE YOUNG MEN that were grown up with him, that stood before him. And he said unto them: 'What counsel give YE, that WE may return answer to this people, who have spoken to me, saying: Make the yoke that thy father did put upon us lighter?'" 2 Chronicles 10:6-9
In the Old days, only the "man in charge" would speak and would decide!  The rest kept silent.  So it is only normal and natural for the king to refer to himself and only himself as "we".

 The inference that "Let us make man in our image" (Genesis 1:26) refers to the plurality of God is refuted by the subsequent verse, which relates the creation of man to a singular God, "And God created man in His image" (Genesis 1:27).

 In this verse the Hebrew verb "created" appears in the singular form.
If "let us make man" indicates a numerical plurality, it would be followed in the next verse by, "And they created man in their image."

Obviously, the plural form is used in the same way as in the divine appellation 'Elohim, to indicate the all-inclusiveness of God's attributes of authority and power, the plurality of majesty.

It is customary for one in authority to speak of himself as if he were a plurality. Hence, Absalom said to Ahithophel, "Give your counsel what we shall do" (2 Samuel 16:20).

 The context shows that he was seeking advice for himself' yet he refers to himself as "we" (see also Ezra 4:16-19).

Hence the verse of Genesis 1:26-27 is NO PROOF FOR TRINITY!

12:16 AM Nov 18 2007



u still seem to argue upon the issue of holy spirit..

my friend ur Bible has double context at times...thats not my fault...but lemme try to explain..

just tell me what other logical explanation do u have after the comparison of the two verses from mathew1:18 and Luke1:26..
NOTHING..but to accept that the holy spirit was actually the angel Gabriel.

now u dont wanna twist this one!

I dont really understand ur chinese theory and i do not want to either..bcos u dont need to apply chinese theory here..we need proof..Solid Proof!

And yes..Trinity is still a mystery..for u ..for me..and for all those who beleive in  1+1+1 = 3..

and moreover even u admitt that Jesus NEVER taught Trinity, nor God Himself, but still u dont wanna quit,..now this is what is being stubborn and being blinded from truth!

 let us see what the Bible says about the Holy Spirit and see how the Bible itself explains that the Holy Ghost is not the one in trinity:

"When you send your Spirit, they are created, and you renew the face of the earth.  (  Psalm 104:30)"

"Where can I go from your Spirit? Where can I flee from your presence?  (Psalm 139:7)"

"Teach me to do your will, for you are my God; may your good Spirit lead me on level ground.  (Psalm 143:10)"

So far, these verses are talking about the Spirit from GOD Almighty.  The first verse above, Psalm 104:30, perfectly agrees with the Noble Verses above about GOD Almighty Blowing His Spirit into our mothers' wombs when we're fetus.

So does this now mean that the Holy Spirit, in the Bible, is part of GOD Almighty?

Absolutely not!  The Bible is filled with figurative speech.   The Holy Spirit mentioned above is a creation from GOD Almighty.  It's purpose is to create our spirits as mentioned in Psalm 104:30.  Another purpose for the Holy Spirit is to Guide the Believers:
1 Samuel 18:10 "The next day an evil spirit from God came forcefully upon Saul. He was prophesying in his house, while David was playing the harp, as he usually did. Saul had a spear in his hand..." 

GOD Almighty has an evil spirit?  Obviously not, it's only metaphoric as mentioned above.

1 Samuel 19:9 "But an evil spirit from the LORD came upon Saul as he was sitting in his house with his spear in his hand. While David was playing the harp,..." ANOTHER EVIL SPIRIT FROM GOD?!

1 Kings 22:22 " 'By what means?' the LORD asked. " 'I will go out and be a LYING spirit in the mouths of all his prophets,' he said. " 'You will succeed in enticing him,' said the LORD. 'Go and do it.'

1 Kings 22:23 "So now the LORD has put a lying spirit in the mouths of all these prophets of yours. The LORD has decreed disaster for you."

2 Chronicles 18:21 " 'I will go and be a lying spirit in the mouths of all his prophets,' he said. " 'You will succeed in enticing him,' said the LORD. 'Go and do it.'

Numbers 24:2 "When Balaam looked out and saw Israel encamped tribe by tribe, the Spirit of God came upon him"

Judges 3:10 "The Spirit of the LORD came upon him, so that he became Israel's judge and went to war. The LORD gave Cushan-Rishathaim king of Aram into
the hands of Othniel, who overpowered him."

Judges 6:34 "Then the Spirit of the LORD came upon Gideon, and he blew a trumpet, summoning the Abiezrites to follow him."

Judges 11:29 "Then the Spirit of the LORD came upon Jephthah. He crossed Gilead and Manasseh, passed through Mizpah of Gilead, and from there he advanced against the Ammonites."

Judges 14:6 "The Spirit of the LORD came upon him in power so that he tore the lion apart with his bare hands as he might have torn a young goat. But he told
neither his father nor his mother what he had done."

Judges 14:19 "Then the Spirit of the LORD came upon him in power. He went down to Ashkelon, struck down thirty of their men, stripped them of their belongings and gave their clothes to those who had explained the riddle. Burning with anger, he went up to his father's house."

Judges 15:14 "As he approached Lehi, the Philistines came toward him shouting. The Spirit of the LORD came upon him in power. The ropes on his arms became like charred flax, and the bindings dropped from his hands."

1 Samuel 10:6 "The Spirit of the LORD will come upon you in power, and you will prophesy with them; and you will be changed into a different person."

1 Samuel 10:10 "When they arrived at Gibeah, a procession of prophets met him; the Spirit of God came upon him in power, and he joined in their prophesying."

1 Samuel 11:6 "When Saul heard their words, the Spirit of God came upon him in power, and he burned with anger."

1 Samuel 16:13 "So Samuel took the horn of oil and anointed him in the presence of his brothers, and from that day on the Spirit of the LORD came upon David in power. Samuel then went to Ramah."

Luke 2:25 "Now there was a man in Jerusalem called Simeon, who was righteous and devout. He was waiting for the consolation of Israel, and the Holy Spirit was upon him."

There are, as I mentioned, several types of this Spirit as mentioned.  

So if Jesus is GOD because the Holy Spirit came upon him, then the others mentioned above should also be GOD Almighty too???

lemme help u...go back and compare mathews1:18 and Luke1:26 and u get a really convincing answer..The holy ghost is not a ONE in Trinity..its angel Gabriel!


11:55 PM Nov 17 2007



sory jiangly...i was out fr sm tym so cudnt reply...

but now im back..and i hope this time u get urself convinced!

the problem is u dont accept the truth..instead u try to twist and turn it around..
but if u be true to urself,be open-minded..u surely will reach the Truth..

It seems that u read or understand only 'part' of my replies..and then u say that im quoting out of context..

About the verse of John 1:1..why do want to put it aside?…Don’t run away from the Truth if u wanna reach the truth.

It is a translation mistake..and the verse is supposed to be “…and the word was GOD’S”(not GOD)

U said that i don't want speak out the Truth about the son of God.

Brother I did speak the truth..and I am again going  to prove it to you..

Firstly about about what ur point 1—

Both the verses u quoted prove that he is more nearer to God and signifies love and affection..

But natural, every prophet in his time was nearest to God..even David, even Adam, even Abraham..ALL PROPHETS…so y the special status to Jesus only??

AS I quoted erlier as well..i repeat it..

luke 3:38—

“…seth,which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.”

Hebrews 7:3—“without Father, without mother, without descent, having niether beginning of days nor end of life; but made like unto the son of God; abideth a preist continually.”

Who is “He”? The answer is in Hebrews 7:1—“Melchisedec, king of salem, preist of the most high God, who met Abraham..”

“Melchisedec” is more unique than Jesus or Adam and is also called in the Bible as son of God. So why is he not preffered to be son of God or God himself??


Long before jesus was born God said to David:

   “Thou art my son, this day I he begotten thee”

This the truth that the Bible itself states..but u want to reject it??why?

u still dont agree with me??then read on..

the Bible's "Son of GOD" translation is wrong, because it literally means "Servant of GOD" as Islam clearly defines it. 
 I have shown ample evidence from Hebrew below.

 (Hebrew or Arabic)  to English Translation
Abbott..in Hebrew..Father
Abb..in Arabic..Father
Abel..in Hebrew..Breath or Son of
Abd..in Arabic..Servant of or Slave of

  Since "Abd" means "Servant of" in Arabic, and "Abel" means "Breath of" in Hebrew, then this means "Abel" in Hebrew could also mean "Servant of" or "Creation of", since it literally also means "Breath of".

Ben..in Hebrew..Son of
Bin..Arabic..Son of

Benie Elohim..Hebrew..Sons of GOD
Beni..Arabic..People of (as in Bani Israel, People of Israel)

Since "Beni" in Arabic means "People of", then this means that "Benie" in Hebrew also means "People of" or "Group of", or "Belongings of", which was falsely translated as "Sons of" throughout the entire Bible!

King James Version
Acts 3:25 - Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham,
And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.

Acts 3:26 - Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.
New King James Version

Acts 3:25 - You are the sons of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying to Abraham,
'And in your seed all the families of the earth shall be blessed.

Acts 3:26 - To you first, God, having raised up His Servant Jesus, sent Him to bless you, in turning every one of you away from his iniquities.
Do you see a difference between these two Bible versions?

In the KJV, we find that Jesus is God's Son. In the NKJV, we find that He is God's servant. These are clearly not the same! The Greek word found in the text here is "pais". It can be used in Greek for either "son" or "servant." So which one is correct here?
The solution is simple: look at the context in which it is used. COZ LATER DO NOT SAY THAT I QUOTED OUT OF CONTEXT.

 The passage is talking about "children," and "fathers" and "seed." The word "pais" means "son." But the New King James translators chose "servant." Why? They were not alone. The New World Translation, created by the Jehovah's Witnesses who deny the deity of Jesus, translated this word "servant" also. So do the NIV, ASV, NASB and other modern Bible translations.

Could it be that these modern translators disagree that "pais" can be translated "son?" No, the NKJV committee translates this very word as "boy," "child" or "son" in Matthew 2:16; 17:18; 21:15; Luke 2:43; 9:42; and John 4:51. Yet they refused to translate the word as "son" in this powerful sermon where Peter presents Jesus as Messiah and Son of God.

One has to ask, why were these translators so determined to deny the deity of Jesus in this passage? Is this a Bible you can trust with your eternal destiny?

Let us compare this with what God has to say about Jesus (pbuh):

Matthew 12:18: "Behold my servant, whom I have chosen."
Acts 3:13(RSV): "The God of Abraham, and of Isaac,.... hath glorified his servant Jesus."
Acts 4:27(RSV): "For of a truth against thy holy servant Jesus, whom thou hast anointed...."

The exact same word "pias" is attributed to Jacob(Israel) in Luke 1:54 and translated as "servant":
"He hath helped his servant Israel, in remembrance of his mercy;."

It is also applied to King David in Luke 1:69, and once again, it is translated as "servant":
"....the house of his servant David;" (also see Acts 4:25).

However, when it is applied to Jesus (e.g. Acts 3:13, Acts 4:27), NOW it is translated as "Son." (notice that it is not only translated as "son" but as "Son".)
 Why the double standard? Why the dishonest translation techniques?

"And verily, among them is a party who twist their tongues with the Scripture that you might think that it is from the Scripture but it is not from the Scripture; and they say, 'It is from Allah' but it is not from Allah; and they speak a lie against Allah while [well] they know it!"
The noble Qur'an, A'al-Umran(3):78

hOPE U ARE conviced and u have seen whose trying to cheat whom??

07:47 AM Nov 11 2007


all these killings and slaughtering are enaugh for me and everybody to qualify your race and other races as killers and racist.

If you go back to human history you will discover the following:

  • killing innocents and terrorism has no religion.
  • real believers accept differrences.
  • those who kill and destroy have ideaological and material background but not religious motives.
  • Unfortunately most genocides and killings are made in the name of religion(remember KOSOVO,IRLAND,CRUSADE,RECONQUISTA...etc)

i know by my experience that neither muslims,nor christians,nor jews are killers and criminals.they are believers:they believe in ONE GOD,IN JUSTICE,IN PEACE.the three religions respect human rights, life and the right to be different.Therefore,those who kill,destroy,eleminate dont deserve to be neither jews,nor christians,nor muslims.they do not even belong to human race they are simply devils.

i wait your fedback,and good luckSmile



07:29 AM Nov 11 2007


i see that you are furious when you said "killing coming from your race".

1-this is a racist statement 'coz we are all human beings even if we do not speak the same language and share  the same  beliefs.christians are not racist.

2- if we are different this means we can enrich each others' experences peacefully in tolerent way.So there no place for allegations and accusations.

3-what i said was simple questions and question marks i have in my mind i wanted to share.But your answer was an accusation more than a clarification. I liked karima's comment even if i am not totally concinced.

 it is true that killing and what we call 'terrorism' has become rampant in many countries especially muslims.this is a truth only blinds can deny it.But it is a big mistake to stick this phenomnen to a race or a religion, it is unfair.I believe that religions have come to save humans from their vices and bad insticts to make the world a better place.to spread justice and promote universal communication.the word religion is synonym to peace and order.terrorism ,however,means chaos and violence.

i agree that your judgement is based on what you see and what you know.But not all we see or learn is 100% true.If i adopte your method of judging things i must admit that all christians are killers and conquerors because:

1-they lead what they call '' Holly war against muslims in middles ages.

2-germans burnt jews in the WWII.

3-Europe had and still has colonies in all over the world where they loot their resources and  edxploited their peoples.

4-today USA.UK and NATO destroy irak afganistan ....

5-Israel kills thousands of pleasteanians and lebanease



07:29 AM Nov 11 2007


i see that you are furious when you said "killing coming from your race".

1-this is a racist statement 'coz we are all human beings even if we do not speak the same language and share  the same  beliefs.christians are not racist.

2- if we are different this means we can enrich each others' experences peacefully in tolerent way.So there no place for allegations and accusations.

3-what i said was simple questions and question marks i have in my mind i wanted to share.But your answer was an accusation more than a clarification. I liked karima's comment even if i am not totally concinced.

 it is true that killing and what we call 'terrorism' has become rampant in many countries especially muslims.this is a truth only blinds can deny it.But it is a big mistake to stick this phenomnen to a race or a religion, it is unfair.I believe that religions have come to save humans from their vices and bad insticts to make the world a better place.to spread justice and promote universal communication.the word religion is synonym to peace and order.terrorism ,however,means chaos and violence.

i agree that your judgement is based on what you see and what you know.But not all we see or learn is 100% true.If i adopte your method of judging things i must admit that all christians are killers and conquerors because:

1-they lead what they call '' Holly war against muslims in middles ages.

2-germans burnt jews in the WWII.

3-Europe had and still has colonies in all over the world where they loot their resources and  edxploited their peoples.

4-today USA.UK and NATO destroy irak afganistan ....

5-Israel kills thousands of pleasteanians and lebanease


03:15 AM Nov 09 2007

Russian Federation

ISLAM is not the solution!

read www.faithfreedom.org

12:34 AM Nov 09 2007



hello,my dear friend! Let's continue...

Maybe you are proud of ur knowlege,but actually knowlege make a person wise,and also it trapped a person!
I do agree with u,that it is hard to change one's belief of what's being taught since childhood,just like we chinese,maybe more than %80 of us are non-reliegious,because our Community Party teach us so, since we are children,but now you can see,I've changed,I have truned my face to Jesus!

well,first i want to say,if you do read the Bible,you must read it in the context,otherwise you will be fall in garbling or "quote out of context",If i do it either,I can find many of that,here i just take one as an example,in Matthew 21:31:
  "...Verily I say unto you,That the publicans and the harlots go into the kingdom of God before you."
Go and check it why Jesus said that and you please tell me.

You mentioned the John 1:1 again,you said it was mis-translated from Aramiac to Greek, Well,I don't know Aramiac nor the Greek,but i can read the chinese version and the english version,both i can't tell anyting you said,any way, why don't we just put it aside and continue?

and now,still the status of Jesus.We all know that when we say "Son of God" we don't mean the biological relation,as you said,in the Bible,there are many people being called "son of God",it is true,actually any believers of God can be called sons or daughters of God, Let me tell you what's the difference the Bible says,maybe you know it already just you don't want speak out.

1. what do God call Jesus?
    In Matthew 3:16-17    "16.And Jesus,when he was baptized,went up straightway out of the water:and,lo,the heavens were opened unto him,and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove,and lighting upon him: 17.And lo a voice from heaven,saying,This is my beloved Son,in whom I am well pleased."
    In Matthew 17:4 when Peter said to Jesus:"Lord,it is good for us to be here:if thou wilt,let us make here three tabernacles;one for thee,and one for Moses,and one for E-li'-as."
    here you can see Peter wanted to put Moses and E-li'-as to the same level of Jesus,and what did GOD SAY,see the next verse,In verse 5:              "While he yet spake,behold,a bright cloud overshadowed them:and behold a voice out of the cloud,which said,This is my beloved Son,in whom I am well pleased;hear ye him."

2.How did Jesus called himself?
   You said Jesus refused to be called "Son of God",and you quoted  Luke 4:41 and Luke 9:21, ok,let me find some scriptures and tell you why you quote the Bible out of context.
   I just quoted Matthwe 17:4 and 5.  Let's see Matthew 17:9    "And as they came down from the mountain,Jesus charged them,saying,Tell the vision to no man,until the Son of man be risen again from the dead."      
   Here the vision indicated what God said in the cloud"This is my beloved Son,in whom I am..."
   Another place,  in Mark 14:61-62        "61......Again the high priest asked him,and said unto him,Art thou the Christ, the Son of the Blessed?     62. And Jesus said,I am:and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power,and coming in the clouds of heaven."
    In John 9:35-37          "35. Jesus heard that......he said unto him, Dost thou believe on the Son of God?  36.He answered and said, Who is he,Lord,that I might believe on him? 37.  And Jesus said unto him,Thou hast both seen him,and it is he that talketh with thee." (it is he that you are talking with)

    In many places,Jesus just call God "Father" or "My Father",when mentioned God to his disciples or the Jews He just say  "your Father" or "thy Father"  He never said "our Father" there are many scriptures can prove this,and you can check it urself.

3. the way People called Him
    In John 20:28-29      "28.  And Thomas answered and said unto him,My LORD and my God.  29. Jesus saith unto him,Thomas,because thou hast seen me,thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen,and yet have believed"

You also quoted Mark 10:18    ".....Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one,that is,God."
well,here Jesus means if you call me good,you must accept me as God,why do i say this, see the following scripture verse 21   ".....One thing thou lackest....and follow me."  so,if a person believing in Him and follow him,there are eternal life and entering the kingdom of God.

And now the "trinity"
Well,I didn't use the word "trinity"  nor i said there is this word in the Bible, it is you who used it.But this theory,I must admit,is accepted by us christians.Let me use chinese to explain it first.

There isn't a single word for "trinity" in chinese,when we mean the same meaning,we will say "三位一体的神",        

"三"mean three as it's figure indicate,"位"we can dispart it as two part"人"means a person or humanbeing and"立"means stand there,"一"means one,"体" we depart it as "人" and "本"which means origin or originaly due to the situation,"的"means  ' s and "神"mean God or god.
    So,there is only one GOD and one SON and one HOLY SPIRIT, we've talked too much about GOD and SON,let's see the HOLY SPIRIT.

In Genesis 1:2      "......And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters."

In Matthew 3:16  "....and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:"

In John 14:26      "But the comforter,which is the Holy Ghost,whom the Father will send in my name,he shall teach  you all tings,and bring all things to your remembrance,watsoever I have said unto you."

In Acts 2:4          "And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the  Spirit gave them utterance."

In 1 Samuel 19:23      "And he went thither to Naioth in Ramah: and the Spirit of God was upon him also, and he went on, and prophesied, until he came to Naioth in Ramah."
      Until now we can see,there is the HOLY SPIRIT,and the HOLY SPIRIT is not as you said "angel Gabriel.
      I can even prove the "三位一体" by the scripture in Old Testament,let's see Genesis 1:26   "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them..."

And now for your questions:
the first three i've answered u above,but if you don't accept "trinity",they are still questions.

your fourth question:"why when the time Jesus was on the cross he shouted "my God,my God,why have you forsaken me?"  well,at that moment God left Him alone to face death,and indeed,Jesus was in pain at that moment! Just like the Satan say in the movie ' it's too heavy a burden for you to save all, too heavy!'   But thank our LORD,He finally overcome it and raised from death!

your fifth and sixth question, again if Jesus is just a person like you and me,it is unjustice to let Jesus being crucified for us,but still you don't know the love of God,and the property of God, Jesus was crucified for God love us,but if you don't admit that you are still have no tough with God's love
For more,let's see how you said the way to enter ur so-called paradise:

" 1)DO not associate any partners of any sort with GOD        2)To believe Muhammad is Last and final prophet." this was what you said,right?    

OK,let me ask you, will BEN LADAN enter ur paradise?     I want to know ur answer!                  

As you said,if your ALLAH is the same God we say, and ur ALLAH can forgive the most,let me ask u,why didn't God forgive Adam and Eve?! Look what they have done,they have done no big mistakes,they just eat some fruits!    Do u think you are doing better than Adam and Eve? you never did anything that is not accepted by God?! the answer is in your heart!    So,if God didn't forgive Adam and Eve,why do u believe God will forgive u and accept u to the Paradise?!
Wake up my friend! If there is no Jesus,God is still God,and we sinners are still sinners,because how could God accept a sinner entering the Kingdom? but are we hopeless? NO,because we have Jesus the savior! That's why Jesus Christ is the bridge between God and human!
how can God save us? HE must came between us and live among us,died for us,and the only difference is He rised up from death it means that he defeated death,from beginning to the end,there were no one else can do this!

your seventh question:How can the Bible says that all Israel is saved although they don't believe in Jesus?
Well,you don't say the full utterance again!  the Bible says that all israel SHALL BE SAVED until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.             well,this is still to be happen,because we don't know how many gentiles needed for the fulness,and why don't u join us to contribute the fulfillness?   and you must noitice the word "saved",saved must means they accept Jesus as their savior!

your eighth question,you said: "according to Christians....babies...original sin."
well,I don't know who told u that,but let me tell u what Jesus said about this,

first,you say those who have not been baptized will go to Hell.   Let me ask u,when Jesus was on the cross one of malefactors said to Jesus:"Lord,remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom." and Jesus said to him:"verily I say unto thee,To day shalt thou be with me in paradise."    then u please answer me,did he baptized? will he in the hell? the answer is in ur heart.                   and next,you said the infants and babies go to Hell if not baptized, let's see what Jesus said about this, 

In Matthew 19:14  "But Jesus said,Suffer little children,and forbid them not,to come unto me:for of such is the kingdom of heaven."    

and also in Mark 10:15     " Verily I say unto you,Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child,he shall not enter therein."       but who will be call a child, under the age of what or someting else,we don't know,God make the criterion,right?

your nineth quetion,about the HOLY SPIRIT you quoted in Luke 1:41 "...Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost:" 

ok, when she was filled with Holy Ghost,she spake out a piece of poem with a loud voice,and after that,the Holy Spirit left!    Jesus said he must go and the Holy Spirit will come,it's true, as long as u accept Jesus as ur savior,the Holy Spirit come in you,you won't feel it and understand it until you accept Jesus,you can pray for that!

Until now i asked some of your quetions,but i must say,there is so much that i don't know,such as will the dead before Jesus be saved and those who had never heard the gospel?  I need to learn and maybe someday i will understand it.

You said Jesus never called himself as a Christian,and in the whole Bible there is no word Christianity.  well,it is too naive to state such a thing,Jesus never called himself a christian,why? If you ask me this question you make me laugh!   

and the word Christianity,well it is you who called us believer and follower of Jesus as christian,we justaccept it as a signal, if you made another word to mention us,let's say "ABCD" I don't oppose that!

you said :"if Jesus was GOD,how could he be tempted by the Evil?"
well,who are the enemy of GOD and JESUS?   Both we know: the Satan and the Evil,but if Jesus didn't tempted by the evil and winned, how could we followers overcome the temptation of the evil?         If Jesus didn't rise from the dead and defeated Satan totally what's our hope?

Think about it,my brother!and pray for the truth! 





03:34 AM Nov 08 2007




You mentioned ": And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I HAD WITH THEE BEFORE THE WORLD WAS."
It is true that Jesus Christ had been sent to the earth from God,and before that he was with God..BUT not just Jesus! everyone was with GOD!

But anyways..this does not in anyway prove that Jesus was GOD or one in Trinity!

Regarding ur question on : should i trust in the scripture that have passed down from the time of Jesus untill now or something else?

Well I alredy talked to u about the authenticity of the Bible..and u saw how ppl contaminated it with thier own writings ansd so on..and let me explain a little bit more..may be this will help..(But if u arent satisfied with what i sent u earlier and this one..i can send u some more..lemme kno!)

"And it came to pass, when Moses had made an end of writing the words of this law in a book, until they were finished......Gather unto me all the elders of your tribes, and your officers, that I may speak these words in their ears, and call heaven and earth to record against them. For I know that after my death ye will become utterly corrupt, and turn aside from the way which I have commanded you; and evil will befall you in the latter days; because ye will do evil in the sight of the LORD, to provoke him to anger through the work of your hands.  (read Deuteronomy 31:25-29)"

 Here the Jews' hands are predicted to cause so much corruption (including corruption in the Bible).   Jeremiah 8:8 below which came approximately 826 later confirmed the Bible corruption.

"How can you say we (the Jews) are wise and the law of the Lord is with us, when in fact the false pen of the scribes has made it into a lie?  (Jeremiah 8:8 (Revised Standard Version))"

"And because of their (the Jews) breaking their covenant, We have cursed them and made hard their hearts. They change words from their places and have abandoned a good part of the message that was sent to them. And you will not cease to discover deceit in them, except a few of them. But forgive them and overlook (their misdeed). Verily! Allah loves the kindly.  (The Noble Quran, 5:13)"

Well I too watched the movie Da Vinci code—and the problem is—its does not give the complete picture..i mean it was just a movie to entertain cinema watchers.

Jesus never married and so he Never had any kids…he was raised up by God as mentioned in the Quran and he  will come in his second coming to prove the world that he never said to him him besides ONE GOD..

Infact :  There is not a single "unequivocal" statement in the ENTIRE Bible, in any of the 73 books of the Roman catholic where it is said by Jesus HIMSELF said that “I am God” or “worship me”.

Here is what Jesus himself said:

I of my own self do nothing  [john ch.8 v:28]
My father is greater than I  [John ch.14 v.28]

The Lord our God is one Lord  [Mark ch.12 v:29]

Read some more verses:

But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, not the angels which are in heaven, niether the son ,but the father. [mark ch.13 v:32]

    even Jesus does not know of that hour, and the verse cleary mentions only God knows of that day and that hour, proving Jesus is NOT GOD!

           “And he withdrew himself into wilderness and prayed” [luke ch.5 v:16]

   the verse mentions Jesus prayed.

If Jesus was God, why did he have to Pray? Does GOD ever pray??

          “Behold ,he that keepeth Israel shall niether slumber nor sleep” [psalms ch.121 v:4]

 but Jesus slept, so he cant be GOD!

          “for God cannot be tempted with evil” [james ch.1 v:13]

         “Jesus was tempted by satan for 40 days” [luke ch.4 v:1-13]

   if Jesus was GOD, how was he tempted by evil??

       Jesus was tempted by satan because he was not GOD.

      We know Jesus was born in his mothers womb..Is God ever born in a mothers womb, that too in a stable?

Here is the True description of God that the Bible states:

“GOD is a spirit”    [john ch.4 v:24]

“ye have niether heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape”  [John ch.5 v:37]

“…whom no man hath seen ,nor can see..”    [ 1 timothy ch.6 v:16]

  If Bible is to be the word of God, then this is what God says.

 The Bible itself says and “confirms” that, there is only ONE GOD and you can NEVER see GOD, nor can you hear him. But Jesus could be seen and heard , again proving Jesus was not GOD.

I have much more to say but I think enough for now..mayb in my next reply.

Just one last thing…as u asked twice the criterion of Quran to enter pardise:

1)DO not associate any partners of any sort with GOD

2)To believe Muhammad is Last and final prophet.

Surah Ikhlas (Holy Qur'an 112:1-4) :

"Say: He is Allah, the One and Only! Allah, the Eternal, Absolute; He begetteth not nor is He begotten. And there is none like unto Him."

well arrite..thats it for now...and i might be out for some time...so untill il be back..cheriouSmile

03:18 AM Nov 08 2007




Ur question on  the verse from the gospel of John ch.10 V.30 :  ”I and my father are one..”

here again ONE signifies one in purpose…not one in Divinity..

This explanation is enough for the above context…But since again this maybe hard for the Bible readers to accept, lets analyze the context and clarify the point.

 For the context ;we need to start at verse 23..it give us the whole context!

Then after reaching verse 28 we find

the verse reads:”no one can plug them out of my hand.”

Verse 29 reads:”no one can plug them out of my fathers hand”.

 verse 30 reads:”I and my father one”

hence it means one in purpose!

Lets make some more clarification.

In the gospel of John chapter 17 verse 21 Jesus says to his disciples:

“That they(the disciples) all may be one; as thou Father,art in me, and I in thee, that they may also be one in us..”  [John 17:21]

It is clearly mentioned here that God and Jesus are One, but also that the disciples are one in Jesus and God. The same “ONE” is used in both places!

   So if Jesus is God ,because He is in God, why are the Disciples then not God as they are all like Jesus also in God??

   If God, Jesus and the Holy Ghost form ONE unit of Trinity, then with the twelve disciples included, they should form a God unit of FIFTEEN.

 Jesus refers to his followers and himself and God as one in five places. So why did they give the previous "one" a different meaning from the other five "ones?

Here are Some logical questions for u to ponder upon :

Christians assert that Jesus claimed to be God when they quote him in John 14:9: "He that has seen me has seen the Father". Didn’t Jesus clearly say that people have never seen God, as it says in John 5:37: "And the father himself which Has sent me, has borne witness of me. You have NEITHER HEARD HIS VOICE AT ANY TIME NOR SEEN HIS SHAPE"?

Why do Christians say that God is three-in-one and one in three when Jesus says in Mark 12:29: "The Lord our God is one Lord" in as many places as yet in the Bible?

If it was agreeable with God’s Majesty to have sons, He could have created a million sons the like of Jesus. So what is the big clear deal about this only son?

Why does the Bible say that Jesus wanted to die on the cross, when the one on the cross was shouting "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?" according to Matthew 27:45 and Mark 15:33?

If God had wanted to save us, couldn’t He have done that without sacrificing Jesus?

God is Just, and justice requires that nobody should be punished for the sins of others, nor should some people be saved by punishing other people.(see erlier reply for references & verses). Doesn’t the claim that God sacrificed Jesus to save us because He was Just, contradict the definition of justice?

How come the Bible says that ALL Israel is saved although they don’t believe in Jesus? Doesn’t that contradict the claim in the Bible that the only way to heaven is through Jesus?

According to Christians, those who have not been baptized will go to Hell. So even the infants and babies go to Hell if not baptized, since they are born with an inherited original sin. Doesn’t this contradict the definition of justice? Why would God punish people for sins they never committed?

Christians say that the Paraclete means the Holy Spirit (John 14;26). Jesus said in John 16:7-8 "If I do not go away the Paraclete will not come to you". This could not mean the Holy spirit, since the Holy spirit was said to have been there before Jesus was even born as in Luke 1:41 "Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit". Here, the Holy spirit was also present during Jesus life time. So how could this fit with the condition that Jesus must go away so that the Holy spirit will come?

There so many of them…let me just stop here!

Hence Jesus never called himself as God, nor did he call himself as a Christian.

Infact the word Christianity is nowhere to be found in the ENTIRE Bible.

The word Christian is found to appear only three times in the new testament and first by pagans and Jews in Antioch about 43 A.D long after Jesus had left this earth.

The word Christian only appears in Acts 11:26 and Acts 26:28 which were given by foes rather than friends and once in peter 4:16 by peter; but the word Christian was NEVER Given by Jesus NOR by God!

There is no acceptable evidence where Jesus called himself as a Christian or preached “Christianity”.


03:12 AM Nov 08 2007



Part-2 :The trinity

Ok..let me sort out the TRINITY for you…READ CAREFULLY and understand..u'll figure it all out..

The Trinity is not Biblical. The word ‘Trinity’ is nowhere to be found within the pages of the Bible or Bible dictionaries. It was NEVER taught by Jesus and was NEVER mentioned by him. There is no Proof in the Bible whatsoever for the appearance of Trinity.

•          The ‘Trinity’ was formed by Athanasius, an Egyptian deacon from Alexandria and was accepted by the council of Nicaea in A.D.325, which is three centuries after Jesus had left.

•          Hence the Trinity was not made by GOD himself , nor by Jesus. It’s the handiworks of man himself.

There WAS only one verse in the whole of Holy Scripture called the Bible which unequivocally supported this Christian dogma, and that was in John 5:7.

•          Many Christians when asked for the proof or verse on trinity, would quote the following verse from the first epistle of John ch.5 v:7and 8 –

     “For there are three that bear record in heaven, the father the word and the Holy Ghost and these three are one. And there are three that bear witness in the earth, the spirit the water and the blood, and these three agree in one.”

     This verse (John ch.5 v:7and 8) is from the King James version, authorized in 1611 and formed the strongest evidence for the Doctrine of Trinity. But now this part “the father ,the word, the holy Ghost and these 3 are one” has been “expunged”(removed) in the revised standard version of 1952 and 1971 and also in many other Bibles, as it was a gloss that had been encroached on the Greek text.

The new American Standard Bible (1-John 5:7) reads as follows:

     “And it is the spirit who bears witness ,because the spirit is the truth. For there are three that bear witness, the spirit and the water and the Blood and the three are in agreement.”

Also  in the New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures used by Jehovas witnesses and in the Kingdom Interlinear Translation of the Greek Scriptures you will find:

       “For there are three witness bearers, the spirit and the water and the Blood and the three are in agreement.”

 But unfortunately, not knowing why, many Christian Ministers and Preachers are not aware of this!

   Dr C.I, Scofield, D.D. backed by eight other D.D.'s in a footnote to this verse say:


 The fundamentalist Christians still retain this "fabrication" whereas, in all the modern translations including the Revised Standard Version (RSV) this pious fraud has been unceremoniously expunged, thus confirming this Qur’ânic refutation**:

"They do blaspheme who say: God is one of three In a Trinity: for there is no God except one God. If they desist not from their word (of blasphemy), verily a grievous penalty will befall the blasphemers among them." Holy Qur'an 5:76.

Here is the solution to the Trinity

The mystery is solved by using the “Noble Quran” as the standard to correct changes made by men in the previously revealed scriptures. Hence we derive from the Quran that; the God is God; the Holy Ghost is angel Gabriel and Jesus is a Prophet, son of Mary.

Since this is hard for the Bible readers to believe...

 Lets also prove it from the Bible.

  Read Mathew 1:18– “now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: when as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, Before they came together, she was found with the child of the 'Holy Ghost'.”

Compare now with Luke 1:26 and 27—

•          “And in the sixth month 'angel Gabriel' was sent from God unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth, To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the Virgins name was Mary.”

--so in the miraculous birth of Jesus, mathew mentioned the Holy Ghost and Luke mentioned the angel Gabriel. What is Holy Ghost then?– The Holy Ghost is the Angel Gabriel. And Jesus is a prophet ,the Son of Mary

The following as mentioned earlier proves that Jesus was a human being just like us and he was sent by God as a prophet, just like other prophets like Moses, Abraham, David and others that were sent as a Warner onto this earth.

   “then those men when they had seen the miracle that Jesus did said: This is of a truth that a ‘prophet’ that should come into the world”  [John ch.6  v:14]

 "And the multitude said, This is Jesus the prophet of Nazareth of Galilee."[Mathew ch.21 v.11]

  Also see other verses:

   John ch.7 v:40,  Mathew ch.21 v.11,  luke ch.7 v:16, luke ch.24 v:19



03:07 AM Nov 08 2007



Part 1

Helo friend..

Gud to know that you appreciate good things..

You have to be open-minded in-order to reach the truth..i Know its hard to beleve and change the belief of whats being taught since childhood…but as you said..truth is ONE..may God Guide us all to the TRUE PATH..

Now coming to the point..

I alredy mentioned the verse that say the "THE WORD WAS  WITH GOD,AND THE WORD WAS GOD" this is "mistranslated".Its a TRANSLATION mistake. The correct translation should be written as:"THE WORD WAS GOD'S" (please read that part of my erlier reply again)

The second part of ur question from verse 14 of John:

let us look at John 1:14 "So the word became flesh and resided among us, and we had a view of his glory such as belongs to an only-begotten son from a father; and he was full of undeserved kindness and truth."  Again, this verse clearly states that Jehovah or Allah didn't come in a form of a man.  It was God's son who came to us.  God's only begotten son.    The word "Son" doesn't mean actual biological son at all.  Also u'll see that JESUS IS NOT THE ONLY BEGGOTEN SON OF GOD.

Read these verses:

exodus ch.4 v:22—   “And thou moses shalt say unto pharaoh,Thus saith the Lord ,Israel is my son, even my first born.”

-this means here jacob(israel) is his first born son.

Read jeremiah 31:9—”I am a father to Israel and Ephraim is my first born”

•          Long before jesus was born God said to David:

   “Thou art my son, this day I he begotten thee”

   —So jesus is not the only begotten ‘son of God’

Hence ‘son of God’ only sinifies love, affection and nearness to God, and applies to not only Jesus but also other prophets and even we people.

   Infact you will see sons and daughters of God :

   “And will be a father unto you, and you shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.”  [2-corinthians 6:18]

•          Jesus also said that God is not only his Father but also your father.[mathew-5:45,48]

Also read deuteronomy ch14 v:1 –”Ye are the children of the Lord your God.”

Some people might say that Jesus had no Father that is why he is son of God.

If so then why don’t christians consider Adam also as son of God,he had no mother and no Father and he is also called ‘son of God’ in luke 3:38—

“…seth,which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.”

Further read Hebrews 7:3—“without Father, without mother, without descent, having niether beginning of days nor end of life; but made like unto the son of God; abideth a preist continually.”

Who is “He”? The answer is in Hebrews 7:1—“Melchisedec, king of salem, preist of the most high God, who met Abraham..”

“Melchisedec” is more unique than Jesus or Adam and is also called in the Bible as son of God. So why is he not preffered to be son of God or God himself??

 Jesus REFUSED to be called ‘son of God’

         Jesus called himself ‘son of man’ and clearly REFUSED to be called ‘son of God’ in the Bible:

•          “And the devils also came out of many,crying out and saying, Thou art Christ the son of God. And he rebuking them suffered them not to speak:for they knew that he was Christ.”  [Luke ch.4 v:41]

          He refused again in Luke chapter.9 verses 20 and 21:

•          “He(Jesus) said unto the disciples, But whom say ye that I am? Peter answering said,The Christ of God. And He straightly charged them and commanded them to tell no man that thing.”

          It was paul who was the first one who made Jesus a son of God in acts ch.9 v:20-23:

   “And straight away He(Paul) preached christ in thee synagogue, that he is the son of God…And after many days were fulfilled the jews took council to kill him.”

Both the Noble Quran and the Bible claim that GOD Almighty is an Absolute One and only One:

"Say: He is God, the One and Only; God, the Eternal, Absolute; He begetteth not, nor is He begotten; And there is none like unto Him.  (The Noble Quran, 112:1-4)"

"Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one.  (Deuteronomy 6:4)"

"The most important one," answered Jesus, "is this: 'Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one.  (, Mark 12:29)"

Notice also how Jesus said "our God", which included him to be under GOD Almighty's creation and Divine Authority, and not someone or an entity that is equal to GOD Almighty.

The Bible's New Testament also records Jesus saying: ""Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good–except God alone."   (Mark 10:18)"

If Jesus doesn't consider himself as "good", then how can any sane person put him on the same level as GOD Almighty?


07:12 AM Nov 07 2007



sorry,I discovered the place"1 1 1=1" is printed wrongly,what i want to say is "1 multiply 1multiply 1= 1"Laughing

07:08 AM Nov 07 2007



Dear djquy,I really appreciate ur knowlege,you must have read a lot!
You have answered my question one by one.
You first quoted John chapter 1,verse 1:
    "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
ok,why don't u just read right behind it,in verse 14:
    "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only  begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth."
isn't it clear? Here,you might say, it is wrong,There is only one God!   Yes,we admit that,but beside that is there

is only one begotten Son of God, and one Holy Spirit,and the relation is   " 1*1*1=1 "
And further,in John chapter 10 verse 30,Jesus said:
 "I and my Father are one."
anyway, we ordinary people are too limited to understand all the properties of Mighty God,but through the words

we do understand some!
You also quoted John chapter 17,verse 3:
 "And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the ONLY TRUE GOD, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent."
again,let's see just behind it,in verse 5:
  "And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I HAD WITH THEE BEFORE THE WORLD WAS."
It is true that Jesus Christ had been sent to the earth from God,and before that he was with God and with God before the world was!

And also,you said someone have added or deleted some scriptures in the Bible.Well, I must say i don't have enough knowlege or ability to prove whether what u said is right or wrong, what i want to say is in the book

<<The Da Vinci Code >> writen by an american person named dan bronte(I don't know exatly what his name is but you know who I'm talk about) there is also the same viewpoint,and even he said Jesus had married a woman and have chidren left!  should i trust in the scripture that have passed down from the time of Jesus untill now or something else?!

As for the issue of Crucifixion,it is the most important thing,at least for all human being,but before our talk about this thing I want to ask you a question ,and it is question you didn't answer me:"in ur slamic liegion,through what way  you muslims enter the kingdom of God?"  and after that let's talk about what will be a real salvation.

If i said someting wrong or someting that offended someone,I'm here asking ur forgivness,because my poor knowlege and limitations!   And my best wishes!








10:33 PM Nov 06 2007



About ur Question on Cricifixion... 

please be patientLaughing

The Qur'an states in Surah 4:157 that Jesus was not crucified:
"And their [Jews'] boasting: 'We killed Messiah Jesus, Son of Mary the Apostle of Allah,but they [Jews] killed him not, nor crucified him ..."
We all agree that nobody saw the moment he was resurrected. They found that the sepulchre in which Jesus had been laid was empty and concluded(thought) that he had been resurrected,because the disciples and other witnesses saw him alive after the alleged crucifixion.

proofs that Jesus DID NOT die on the cross:

1. On the cross, Jesus beseeched God for help: Matthew 27:46: "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?"

In Luke 22:42, it is recounted:
"Saying, Father if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but shine, be done." (This cup is the cup of death.)

2. Jesus' prayer not to die on the cross was accepted by God, according to Luke, the author of Hebrews, and James.
 Luke 22:43: "And there appeared an angel unto him from heaven, strengthening him."
 It means that an angel assured him that God would not leave him helpless:
 Hebrews 5:7: "Who in the days of his flesh, when he [Jesus] had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared."

Jesus' prayers were "heard," which means that they were answered in a positive way by God: James 5:16: " The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much."
 Jesus himself said in Matthew 7:7-10: "Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you. For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth, and to him who knocketh it shall be opened. Or what man is there of you, whom if his son ask bread, will he give him a stone? Or if he ask a fish, will he give him a serpent?"

If all of Jesus' prayers were accepted by God, including his prayer not to die on the cross(as proved from above verses), how could he still die on the cross?

3. His legs were not broken by the Roman soldiers: John 19:32-33:
"Then came the soldiers, and broke the legs of the first, and of the other which was crucified with him.
But when they came to Jesus, and saw that he was dead already, they broke not his legs."

Can you rely on these soldiers' assertion that Jesus was dead,
or did they want to save him out of their belief that Jesus was really innocent?

4. If Jesus died on the cross, his blood would clot and thus no blood would have gushed out of his body when his side was pierced.
But the Gospel states that blood and water came out:
John 19:34: "But one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side, and forthwith came there out blood and water."

5.from the following u'll see that either Jesus has to be alive or the prophecy  remains unfullfilled.

 When the Pharisees asked Jesus for a sign of his true mission, he answered: Matthew 12:40:
"For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly,
so shall the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth."
 Disregard the time factor, which was also not three days and three nights but one day (Saturday, daytime only) and two nights (Friday night and Saturday night).

Was Jonas alive in the belly of the whale?
 Was Jonas still alive when he was vomited out of the belly the whale?

Then Jesus was still alive, as he prophesied.


6. Jesus HIMSELF stated that he didn't die on the cross.
Early Sunday morning Mary Magdalene went to the sepulchre, which was empty.
 She saw somebody standing who looked like a gardener.
 After a conversation, she realized that he was Jesus and wanted to touch him.
 Jesus said, as recounted in John 20:17: "Touch me not, for I am not yet ascended to my Father ..."
"Touch me not" perhaps because the fresh wound would hurt him.

"I am not yet ascended to my Father" MEANS that he was still alive,
 because when somebody dies he goes back to the Creator.
This was the strongest proof and was admitted by Jesus himself.

7. After the alleged crucifixion, the disciples "thought" that he was not the same Jesus in body but in spirit, because "RESSURECTED BODIES ARE IN SPIRIT"
That is what Jesus himself said in the Bible: that they are equal to angels, In Luke 20: 34-36.

Then Jesus convinced them that he was the same person by letting them touch his hands and feet.
 As they could not believe him yet, he asked for meat to show them that he still ate like any living individual.

 Read Luke 24:36-41: "And as they [the disciples] thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them: 'Peace be unto you.' But they were terrified and frightened, and supposed that they had seen a spirit.
And he said unto them: 'Why are ye troubled, and why do thoughts arise in your hearts?
Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself. Touch me, and see, for a spirit has no flesh and bones, as ye see that I have.   And when he had thus spoken, he showed them his hands and his feet.
 And while they yet believed not for Joy, and wondered, he said unto them: 'Have ye here any meat?'
 And they gave him a piece of broiled fish, and of an honeycomb. And he took it, and did eat before them."

8. If you still believe that he died on the cross, then he was a false prophet and accursed of God according to these passages:
deuteronomy 13:5: "And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death ...";
 Deuteronomy 21:22-23: "And if a man have committed a sin worthy of death, and he be to be put to death, and thou hang him on a tree: His body shall not remain all night upon the tree, but thou shalt in any wise bury him that day;(for he that is hanged is accursed of God) that thy land be not defiled, which the Lord thy God giveth thee for an inheritance."

To believe in his death on the cross is to discredit his prophethood.
The Jews claimed that they killed Jesus on the cross in order to portray him as a false prophet.

 Christians believe in the crucifixion, for it is necessary for their doctrine of redemption of sin and, consequently, have to accept the accursedness of Jesus, too.
 This Christian belief opposes the Bible's teaching in Hosea 6:6:
"For I desired mercy and not sacrifice, and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings."
It also opposes Jesus' own teaching in Matthew 9:13: "But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice ..."
Again Jesus said in Matthew 12:7: "But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless."

It was Paul who taught the resurrection,NOT JESUS NOR GOD. Read Acts 17:18:          "... And some [Jews] said: 'What will this babbler say?'
To others, He [Paul] seemeth to be a setter forth of strange gods,
 because he preached unto them Jesus and the resurrection."
Paul, who never saw Jesus, also admitted that the resurrection was his gospel
(II Timothy 2:8): "Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to my gospel"

But still do you wanna throw away ur logic and beleive in the ALLEGED crucifixion?!

10:11 PM Nov 06 2007



Ur third question: Why we call God Allah? What about Jehova?
The Rev. C. I. Scofield, D. D. with a team of 8 Consulting Editors, also all D.D.’s in the "Scofield Reference Bible" thought it appropriate to spell the Hebrew word "Elah" (meaning God) alternatively as "Alah" The Christians had thus swallowed the camel ;) — they seemed to have accepted at last that the name of God is Allah — but were still struggling with the spelling Allah with one "L"!
The Bible DID HAVE the name ALAH mentioned in it...but is now deleted.(you tell me why??)
 I have with me the Photographic reproduction of the Bible page(Genesis) showing the word "ALAH"  .

Scofield Reference Bible" has retained word for word the whole commentary of Genesis 1:1, but has, by a clever sleight-of-hand, blotted out the word "Alah" altogether. There is not even a gap where the word "Alah" once used to be.This is in the Bible of the orthodox! Its hard to keep up with their juggerly.

10:04 PM Nov 06 2007



As far as the Bible is Concerned here are some few points on its Holiness..

1)The Bible has suffered changed by the hands of men
2) The bulk of the Bible is a witnessing of this THIRD PERSON NARRATION. These are the words of a third person. Note the pronouns. They are not the Words of God or of His prophet, but the WORDS OF A HISTORIAN.  Example: "And seeing a fig tree afar off having leaves, he, (JESUS) came, if haply he (JESUS) might find anything thereon: and when he (JESUS) came to it, (Jesus) found nothing but leaves . . ." (Mark 11:13)
3) The "gospel" is a frequently-used word, but what Gospel did Jesus preach? Of the 27 books of the New Testament, only a small fraction can be accepted as the words of Jesus. The Christians boast about the Gospels according to St. Matthew, according to St. Mark, according to St. Luke and according to St. John, BUT THERE IS NOT A SINGLE GOSPEL "ACCORDING" TO (ST.) JESUS HIMSELF! We sincerely believe that everything Christ (May the peace and blessings of God be upon him) preached was from God. That was the Injeel, the good news and the guidance of God for the Children of Israel. In his life-time Jesus never wrote a single word, nor did he instruct anyone to do so. What passes off as the "GOSPELS" today are the works of anonymous hands!
  You probably wont beleve me..so Let us do an "authorship" search with the verdict of those 32 scholars, backed by their 50 co-operating denominations.

We start with "GENESIS" — the first book of the Bible. The scholars say about its "AUTHOR": "One of the 'five books of Moses” (Thats it??)

The next four books, "EXODUS, LEVITICUS, NUMBERS and DEUTERONOMY": AUTHOR? "Generally credited to Moses."
This is the same category as the book of Genesis.
Who is the author of the book of "JUDGES?" Answer: "Possibly Samuel."          
Who is the author of the book of "JOSHUA?" Answer: "Major part credited to Joshua."   
      Who is the author of "RUTH?" Answer: "Not definitely known" AND      
  Who is the author of:       
  1ST SAMUEL?............ Answer: Author "Unknown"      
  2ND SAMUEL........... Answer: Author "Unknown"  
  1ST KING?................. Answer: Author "Unknown"    
  2ND KING?............... Answer: Author "Unknown"      
  1st CHRONICLES? …. Answer: Author "Unknown, probably …"     
  2st CHRONICLES? …. Answer: Author "Likely collected by…“   
The above facts are from Collins' R.S.V. 1971. Pages 12-17.
 Lets investigate some more..Is matthew relly the author on the book that bears his name??J.B.Phillips has this to say about its authorship..  "EARLY TRADITION ASCRIBED THIS GOSPEL TO THE APOSTLE MATTHEW, BUT SCHOLARS NOWADAYS ALMOST ALL REJECT THIS VIEW."
 In other words, St. Matthew did not write the Gospel which bears his name. This is the finding of “Christian scholars” of the highest eminence. 
someother time we can talk about luke ,John and other authors as well; for now,let us jump over the conclusion of the Jehovah's Witnesses' research as recorded in the NOW EXPUNGED(removed) Foreword:         

Christians say: no amount of tampering, will "APPRECIABLY AFFECT THE AUTHENTICITY OF THE BIBLE" (?). Does This Christian logic make any sense??

09:55 PM Nov 06 2007



Ur second Question: why do I quote from the Bible? Do I beleve it as a word of God? Well my friend, I quote from the Bible for YOU and for other Christians out thre..
because we as muslims have faith in the Quran ,but u as Christians u(or most of u) wont bother to know what the Quran says..
so I am opening doors for u to do a more deeper investigation into ur religion..
As far as muslims belief is concerened we believe all scriptures(that are mentioned) to be revealed by God.
But none of them exist in their original form today except the Holy Quran..
and the only pure text left with mankind in which not a single word has been changed since it was revealed is the “Noble Quran”.
The Almighty God says in the Quran:
          Surah 15:9—”No doubt We have sent down the Quran and surely We will guard it (from Corruption).”

Historians say about the Quran:

Even though God warned the people, the Christians bravely edit the Bible ignoring the warning given to them in Revelation:
          ". . . If any man shall add to these things (or delete) God shall add unto him the plagues written in this Book." (Revelation 22:18-19)
  But who cares!
The Protestants have bravely expunged seven whole books from their Book of God! 

Read this:
“...A copyist would sometimes put in not what was in the text but what he ought to be in it.
 He would trust a fickle memory or he would make the text accord with the views of the school to which he belonged…”
[J.R.Dummelow: Commentary on the Holy Bible. P16]

   “Then woe to those who write the Book with their own hands, and then say:
 'This is from Allah,' To traffic with it for a miserable price! Woe to them for what their hands do write,
 and for the gain they make thereby.”   (The Noble Quran, 2:77-78)

09:45 PM Nov 06 2007



helo frends..im sory to interupt u ..

but i gta giv sum answers to my freind Jiangly..Well my friend.. gud to know ur looking for the truth..But remember u gta to be fair.. Anywez..coming to the point..u posted some really nice questions there..But in order to answer them fully, I’ll be takin up quiet a lot of space..So friends ..please excuse me..Laughing

Your first question..are there Jesus’s word in the Quran?  Well..actually yea..there are many descriptions about Jesus in the Quran.. Ofcourse he is mentioned as a prophet that was sent “BY” God…y am I stressing on “BY”??Because Christians take him as God quoting the verse from John-1:1-     

    “In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God, and the word was God.” 

Let us analyze this: 

We know that a holy scripture should not contain contradictions. If there are conflicting verses then only one can be true; both can never be true; or both are wrong.   

 If Jesus is God according to John 1:1 then how many Gods are there? Two at least. This is then in contradiction with “many” passages in the Bible—        

 “..that the Lord he is God in Heaven and above and upon the earth beneath; there is none else.”[deutronomy 4:39]

“Thus saith the Lord..I am the first and I am the last and besides me there is no God.”  [Isaiah 45:18]

“The Lord our God is one Lord”  [mark 12:29]   

“For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Jesus Christ.” [1-timothy 2:5] 

From Isaiah alone we can conclude that “God alone” was the creator and no one else, not even Jesus participated in the creation 

 See further deutronomy 4:35; Exodus 8:10; 2-sameul 7:22; 1-kings 8:23; 1-chronicles 17:20; psalms 86:8; hosea 13:4; zechariah14:9… 

 This misconception is corrected using the “Noble Quran” as the standard.It is mentioned in surah 3 verse 45 of the Holy Quran: “(remember) when the angels said: O Mary! Verily Allah gives you glad tidings of a word from him, his name will be messiah Jesus, the son of Mary held in honour in this world and the hearafter and of those who are near to Allah.”

It is mentioned in this verse that Jesus is called a word from Allah or belonging to Allah.

This is in correspondence with the Bible and the Bible also says: “And ye are Christs and christs is Gods.” [ 1-corinthians 3:23]    

To confirm it further it is notable that there is an error in Translation from Aramiac to Greek in the verse of John 1:1.Because in Greek language Theos means God, but theou means God’s and the verse of John 1:1 reads originally as “theou” and not “theos”. Hence the verse of John 1:1 should have been written as:”…and the word was God’s.”

This mistake in Translation from Aramiac to Greek may have been done deliberately or not ,we do not know! 

 If ur looking for Jesus words by himself, here is what he is Going to speak(on the day of resurrection).   

  “And (remember) when Allah will say (on the Day of Ressurection):  O Jesus son of Mary! Did you say unto men: ‘worship me and my mother as two Gods besides Allah?’ He(Jesus) will say : ‘Glory be to You! It was not mine to say what I had no right to say. Had I said such a thing You would surely had known it. You know what is in my mind though I know not what is in yours. Truly you, only you are the All-knower of all that is hidden. Never did I say to them aught except what You did command me to say: ’worship Allah ,my Lord and Your Lord’ and I was a witness over them while I dwelt amongst them, when you took me up, You were the watcher over them and You are a witness to all things.” [The Holy Quran 5:116-118]

Truly this is a great Admonition and Warning to the Christians of the whole world. The above supplication of Jesus(pbuh) corresponds to

Jesus’s supplication in John17:3—     “And this is life eternal , that they might know thee only true God and Jesus Christ whom Thou has sent.”  


02:47 PM Nov 06 2007


i'm a christian and i love muslims too cause we are the children of abraham....i'm sending this massage to those muslim countries to tell the yonug ones the truth about jesus and muhammad.let the truth to told ...................men

02:04 PM Nov 06 2007


the quran teach us many value way , and mary is the most holy women in the world

09:46 AM Nov 06 2007

South Korea

Abraham have two sons, but only one is the son God promised. Isaac is the one. As you read bible, u will know who is the promised son. Ishmael was born by abraham's effort not by God's power. Plus Jesus is not prophet. He is son of God. Remember what he is said before he was taken up into heaven; "I'am going to send you what my Father has promised; but stay in the city until you have been clothed with power from on hight." It means we must be baptized with the Holy Spirit. If you don't know about Holy Spirit, pray to be baptized with the Holy Spirit and go to the church. You have to look for the Holy Spirit.

09:26 AM Nov 06 2007

South Korea

Here is very simple answer.

07:36 AM Nov 06 2007


Look, you make a great mistake. I am not talking about a religion. If you talk to me about a religion, you have right. The religion (not all) kill. I talk about the person of Jesus and i am very sorry, to tell you this : When Jesus was on the cross, he said, Father forgive them, because they do not know what they do.  He was on the cross, the blood flowed but he had the Great Love to say this words.  So please, judge with truly. 

To finish i will not intervene once again, i just want to tell one thing, i always tryed to live what i preach. Before i was nasty, my heart was so hard. I did not know to ask forgiveness when i have made something wrong, but little by little, My Lord and My God so kind, helped me, day after to day, to become like Him. Personally, i do not want to offend anyone and if said something wrong, please forgive me, but i just wanted to share my faith, my hope and the Love that Jesus gave to me. After, i am an human, so i can commit some mistake in my manner to share :-)

May the Grace and the Love of God to be revealed on our heart.

06:57 AM Nov 06 2007


So what else can i say but to  LIVE WHAT YOU PREACH!


I see a lot of killings and discriminations coming from your race and if you think your religion is  a religion of LOVe coming from the true   GOD, then don't JUST TALK, PROVE IT !




06:40 AM Nov 06 2007


Look my friend, i do not know you, but i respect your opinion. I have plenty of plausible arguments. The number one is my life. How i was before meeting Jesus and how i became after. My mother, is a muslim woman, and she saw the change. I did not count how many times, she asked me to pray for her, for his friends or for my brothers. Because even if she do not want to believe in Jesus, she saw what Jesus made in my life. that is why Jesus said, you will testimony about me. I read the quran, i talked with some muslims (Don't forget I was muslim) before my conversion, so please, be sure about one thing,  I know about what I speak. Now, if you want more arguments plausible, i can to give them, but write me on my personnel email.  However I want that you know, the greater argument it is my life. But do not forget, there is some people, even if they see, a man to come back from the death to say that Jesus is the truth, they will never believe.... So i am not here for convince you, i am here for giving my testimony and to testify Jesus is the only way, the truth and the life. That is all. God bless you.  For Molden : Jesus Christ is died for our sins and He is resuscitated. Jesus never made sins,  the death was not able to keep him. After 3 days  He was risen from the death. Read the bible and you will understand better. God bless you.