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October 15, 2007

    According to the Bible, God said to Moses, on whom be peace: I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brothers; I will put my words in his mouth, and he will tell them everything I command him. (The Holy Bible, New International Version, Deuteronomy chapter 18, verse 18). The prophet described in the above verse must have the following three characteristics: 1. He will be like Moses. 2. He will come from the brothers of the Israelites, i.e. the Ishmaelites. 3. God will put His words in the mouth of the prophet and he will declare what God commanded him. Let us see which prophet God was speaking of. 1. The prophet like Moses Some people feel that this prophecy refers to the prophet Jesus, on whom be peace. But, although Jesus (peace be upon him and all of God’s prophets and messengers) was truly a prophet of God, he is not the prophet spoken of here. He was born miraculously, and finally God raised him up miraculously. On the other hand, Muhammad is more like Moses; both were born in a natural way and both died natural deaths. 2. From among the Ishmaelites Abraham had two sons, Ishmael and Isaac (Genesis, chapter 21). Ishmael became the grandfather of the Arab nation. And Isaac became the grandfather of Jewish nation. The prophet spoken of was to come not from among the Jews themselves, but from among their brothers, the Ishmaelites. Muhammad a descendant of Ishmael, is indeed that prophet. 3. God will put his words in his mouth ‘Neither the content of the revelation, nor its form, were of Muhammad’s devising. Both were given by the angel, and Muhammad’s task was only to repeat what he heard.’ (Word Religions from Ancient history to the Present, by Geoffrey Parrinder, p. 472). God sent the angel Gabriel to teach Muhammad the exact words that he should repeat to the people. The words are therefore not his own; they did not come from his own thoughts, but were put into his mouth by the angel. These are written down in the Qur’an word for word, exactly as they came from God. Now that we know that prophet we must listen to him, for, according to the Bible, God says: ‘I will punish anyone who refuses to obey him’ (Good News Bible, Deut. 18:19). Jesus (on whom be peace) In the Glorious Qur'an The Qur’an tells us many wonderful things about Jesus. As a result, believers in the Qur’an love Jesus, honor him and believe in him. In fact, no Muslim can be a Muslim unless he or she believes in Jesus, on whom be peace. The Qur’an says that Jesus was born of a virgin, that he spoke while he was still only a baby, that he healed the blind and the leper by God's leave and that he raised the dead by God's leave. What then is the significance of these miracles? First, the virgin birth. God demonstrates His power to create in every way. God created everyone we know from a man and a woman. But how about Adam, on whom be peace? God created him from neither a man nor a woman. And Eve from only a man, without a woman. And finally, to complete the picture, God created Jesus from a woman, without a man. What about the other miracles? These were to show that Jesus was not acting on his own behalf, but that he was backed by God. The Qur’an specifies that these miracles were performed by God's leave. This may be compared to the Book of Acts in the Bible, chapter 2, verse 22, where it says that the miracles were done by God to show that he approved of Jesus. Also, note that Jesus himself is recorded in the Gospel of John to have said: ‘I can do nothing of my own authority' (5:30). The miracles, therefore, were done not by his own authority, but by God's authority. What did Jesus teach? The Qur'an tells us that Jesus came to teach the same basic message which was taught by previous prophets from God – that we must shun every false god and worship only the One True God. Jesus taught that he is the servant and messenger of the One True God, the God of Abraham. These Qur'anic teachings can be compared with the Bible (Mark 10:18; Matthew 26:39; John 14:28, 17:3, and 20:17) where Jesus teaches that the one he worshipped is the only true God. See also Matthew 12:18; Acts 3:13, and 4:27 where we find that his disciples knew him as ‘Servant of God’. The Qur’an tells us that some of the Israelites rejected Jesus, and conspired to kill him, but God rescued Jesus and raised him to Himself. God will cause Jesus to descend again, at which time Jesus will confirm his true teachings and everyone will believe in him as he is and as the Qur'an teaches about him. Jesus is the Messiah. He is a word from God, and a spirit from Him. He is honored in this world and in the hereafter, and he is one of those brought nearest to God. Jesus was a man who spoke the truth which he heard from God. This can be compared with the Gospel According John where Jesus says to the Israelites: ‘You are determined to kill me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God’ (John 8:40

03:35 AM Nov 20 2007

djguy

djguy
Bahrain

by the way..i reliazed that in ur defence of Jesus being the saviour, you would bring me up the following verse,(which u should hav mentioned erlier itself):

"I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.  (John 14:6)"


It is important to know that most of the Bible, especially the New Testament, has general and controversial statements like this one.

Let us read the following(read it carefully..its NOT out of context):

"If you really keep the royal law found in Scripture, 'Love your neighbor as yourself,' you are doing right.  ( James 2:8)"  

"The entire law is summed up in a single command: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'  (Galatians 5:14)"


Jesus said: loving GOD Almighty so much and being nice to your neighbors will cause you to have eternal life.


Luke 10
25.  On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. "Teacher," he asked, "what must I do to inherit eternal life?"
26.  "What is written in the Law?" he replied. "How do you read it?"
27.  He answered: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind' ; and, 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' "
28.  "You have answered correctly," Jesus replied. "Do this and you will live."

Notice that the man's question was straight forward:

"What must I do to inherit eternal life?" 

No other question can be more straight forward than this.  

Notice that Jesus didn't talk about any trinity-lie concept, nor did he say to the man that he must accept Jesus as a mediator between him and GOD Almighty to win Eternal Life.  Jesus was pretty clear and straight forward here:  LOVE GOD ALMIGHTY AND LOVE YOUR NEIGHBORS AS YOURSELF.  That is simply all there is to it to win eternal life in Jesus' standards.

It certainly wasn't necessary for the man who asked the question to believe in trinity in order for him to be saved.  Jesus assured him Paradise if he believed otherwise.


Jesus a confirmed a second time that the Law of Moses is the way to "Eternal Life":

 Here is another incident where Jesus was asked the same exact question by another person:

Luke 18
18.  A certain ruler asked him, "Good teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?"
19.  "Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good ,except God alone.
20.You know the commandments: 'Do not commit adultery, do not murder, do not steal, do not give false testimony, honor your father and mother.' "
21.  "All these I have kept since I was a boy," he said.
22.  When Jesus heard this, he said to him, "You still lack one thing. Sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."
23.  When he heard this, he became very sad, because he was a man of great wealth.
24.  Jesus looked at him and said, "How hard it is for the rich to enter the kingdom of God!
25.  Indeed, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."

Notice, first of all, in Luke 18:19 how Jesus refutes the lie about him being GOD Almighty.  He clearly put himself below GOD Almighty and as only a creation of GOD Almighty when he said "Why do you call me good?....No one is good--except God alone."

Notice in Luke 18:20 how Jesus referred back to the Law of Moses.   The Law of Moses is the way to Eternal Life according to Jesus.   Jesus was twice confronted with the same question, and he "twice" had made it clear that the Law of Moses is the way to Paradise.

Now in Luke 18:22, we see Jesus adding another condition to the man only because the man was rich.  But the bottom line of Jesus' stand is still the same:

Honor the Law of Moses and you will win the Eternal Life in Paradise.


Here are more quotes that refute the dogma of trinity and the lie of accepting of Jesus as the mediator between you and GOD Almighty in order for you to win eternal life:

 Matthew 5:9-11 "Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven."

Matthew 5:8-10 "Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called sons of God."

 Matthew 5:5-7 "Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they will be filled."

Matthew 5:7-9 "Blessed are the pure in heart, for they will see God."

Matthew 5:4-6 "Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the earth."

Mark 12:29 "Here, O Israel:   The Lord our God is one Lord.


 The book of Ezekiel and the Old Testament clearly and directly refutes the "Salvation through trinity" lie!

"I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.  (Isaiah 43:11)"

"Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one.  ( Deuteronomy 6:4)"

"But if you do warn the wicked man and he does not turn from his wickedness or from his evil ways, he will die for his sin; but you will have saved yourself. "Again, when a righteous man turns from his righteousness and does evil, and I put a stumbling block before him, he will die. Since you did not warn him, he will die for "his" sin. The righteous things he did will not be remembered, and I will hold you accountable for his blood. But if you do warn the righteous man not to sin and he does not sin, he will surely live because he took warning, and you will have saved yourself."  (Ezekiel 3:19-21)"

As we clearly see, the Old Testament clearly and directly refutes that  salvation can only be obtained through believing in Jesus Christ as "GOD" who died on the cross for your sins. 

How are these verses from the book of Ezekiel supposed to agree with all of the lies in the New Testament about Salvation?  And ironically, and as we've seen above, the topic of Salvation in the New Testament is in contradiction!  The Bible has the worst contradictions and inconsistencies in the most important topic, Salvation!

So what is the way that Jesus talked about in John 14:6 then?

When Jesus said: "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.  ( John 14:6)", if we take the meanings of this verse in the same context in Luke 10:25-28 and the other verses that teach about love, harmony and forgiveness, then we would clearly see that the way that Jesus talked about is the goodness in you.

If you love GOD Almighty with your heart and soul and you are a good person and love people and always try to be the best example to every person you meet (as clearly emphasized and stretched in the verses above), then you will win the Eternal Life. 

 Accepting Jesus as the mediator between you and GOD Almighty (believing that Jesus died on the cross to purify your sins) is not necessary to win Eternal Life, and according to the Early Christians' doctrines as well during the 1st and 2nd centuries, Jesus never got crucified anyway, which is exactly what Islam also claims.

Jesus in John 17:4 further clarifies the Salvation concept and refutes the "closed-minded" Christians:

John 17
1.  After Jesus said this, he looked toward heaven and prayed:
2.  "Father, the time has come. Glorify your Son, that your Son may glorify you. For you granted him authority over all people that he might give eternal life to all those you have given him.
3.  Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.
4.  I have brought you glory on earth by completing the work you gave me to do.
5.  And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began.
6.  "I have revealed you to those whom you gave me out of the world. They were yours; you gave them to me and they have obeyed your word.
7.  Now they know that everything you have given me comes from you.
8.  For I gave them the words you gave me and they accepted them. They knew with certainty that I came from you, and they believed that you sent me.
9.  I pray for them. I am not praying for the world, but for those you have given me, for they are yours.
10.  All I have is yours, and all you have is mine. And glory has come to me through them.

As we clearly see in John 17:4, Jesus declared the completion of his work that GOD Almighty had assigned to him on earth.  In John 17:8, he prayed for all of those who followed him and believed in him and in the Commands that he brought to them from GOD Almighty.  In John 17:10, Jesus said that his glory is given to him (Jesus) through them.

All of this clearly refutes the nonsense that most Christians claim about those who don't believe that Jesus died on the cross for their sins are going to Hell. 

According to the verses I mentioned above, Jesus in the NT is clearly not the only salvation to GOD Almighty.   Otherwise, we are left with a major CONTRADICTION in the Bible between Jesus being the only salvation to GOD Almighty, and Jesus not being the only one.

so far Alhamdullilah, i have answered almost all of ur questions(by the grace GOD) and clarified them in detail. I advise u 2go back and start reading my replies from page-11 onwards again..so that u get the full picture in ur mind..ull find facts,questions,quotes  which the whole Christendom has been tryin to find the answers to since 2000 years..but yet they remain unanswered!


so I hope u take heed and get back on the straight path.

May Allah guide us all.

01:31 AM Nov 20 2007

amr7
Egypt

Dear djgue,

Thank u so much for the wisdom clarifications, really it was the first time in all my life to c such a scientific and accurate comparison research, I ask GOD to keep your knowledge and keep going. To all friends all over the world let us be more close and to understand each others with a friendly way, we love u all , I Ask GOD to guide us all to the peace and understanding.

جزااك الله عنا كل خير واكثر من امثالك والحمد لله رب العالمين

12:05 AM Nov 20 2007

djguy

djguy
Bahrain

ur question on Bin-Laden..

well i rely dont whether he will go to heaven or not..bcoz im not GOD! Thats for God to decide..but when i said those are the TWO conditions to go to heaven did not mean that they are the ONLY conditions...there r more acts of worship to be performed...but those two are the Main Conditions for a person to be a MUSLIM..Islam is more than that!

but as far as Adam & Eve is concerned..lemme tell u..that Allah DID FORGIVE them..thats y and thats how they met together on earth..Allah made Adam & Eve a source for forming the humankind generation..odr wise u wudnt be here reading this & & u wudnt be enjoying all the worldy pleasures..Food..sports..Frnds..etc..& ges wat.. by now Adam & Eve will be back in Heaven.

yea my frnd..When Adam was sent to earth,he repented to Allah and Allah being the most merciful..HE forgave him...so dont try to twist things arnd and get urself confused here!

so i request u once again..open up ur mind b4 its too late..Jesus is NOT ur SAVIOUR, GOD is...And i proved it 2u from the Bible as well..but still u seem to refuse and be blinded, then nobody can help u...

Let me summarize my pointst for u..

Jesus cannot be ur SAVIOUR because:

1)Jesus did NOT DIE on the cross.(read my reply on crucifixion)

2)the doctrine of Jesus dying for OUR sin is baseless..its OPPOSES the Biblic teaching.

3)Jesus was not Raised up again(bcoz he was never dead). The resserection was taught bu PAUL who never saw Jesus alive and he admitted as well that the Ressesrection is his own teaching..& not by Jesus.

btw u also said that Jesus was tempted with evil to fight satan..firstly it still contradicts the verse that "GOD cannot be tempted with Evil" and it mentioned further  that Jesus SUFFERED..God wud never have to SUFFER!

 

03:00 AM Nov 18 2007

djguy

djguy
Bahrain

btw i never said.."those who have not been baptized will go to Hell"nor did i write anything about babies going to hell.

I beleve children are born without sin as said by BIble as well.. Read Matthew 19:14.

 i just wote that the doctrine of original sin that U beleive is agaisnt the teachings of BIble..

This is the Doctrine of Atonement, which was accepted by the Church three or four centuries after Jesus left the earth. It contradicts the Bible, as the following passages show:

Deuteronomy 24:16: "The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin.";

Jeremiah 31:30: "But every one shall die for his own iniquity ...",

Ezekiel 18:20: "The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him."

Adam and Eve were responsible for their own sin, which was forgiven by Allah .

Read what Jesus himself said in Matthew 7: 1-2

"Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again."

I Corinthians 3:8.

"Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one; and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour."

so beleving Jesus died on the cross is not gonna help u..bcos

1)its against the teachings of the Bible to believe in such a thing(or u hav to remove those verses from both the new and the old testament)

2)Jesus never died on the cross...

i alredy proved u that Jesus wasnt crucified with some of the the Biblical proofs(u dint reply on it) 

and the resserection is only a teaching of paul..

II Timothy 2:8.

"Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to my gospel" so why do we have to believe that he was crucified and raised from the dead?

Why do you believe in the resurrection if Paul himself, who never saw Jesus alive, admitted that the resserection was his gospel?

02:38 AM Nov 18 2007

djguy

djguy
Bahrain

ur reply with Genesis 1:26-27:
Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them .."

There are three key statements in the verses above:

1-  "Our Likeness"
2-  "Our Image"
3-  "Us" 

Let us now examine them in more details.

1-  "....after OUR likeness...."

Who is this human being that is like GOD?   Adam, the first creation of Mankind and the one in Genesis 1:26-27 certainly isn't.   The likeness of GOD Almighty is not the physical appearance, but rather having the knowledge of Good and evil.   This is clearly stated in the Bible:

"For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.  (Genesis 3:5)"

"and to put on the new self, created to be like God in true righteousness and holiness.  ( Ephesians 4:24)"

"Then the LORD said to Moses, "See, I have made you like God to Pharaoh, and your brother Aaron will be your prophet.   ( Exodus 7:1)"

"On that day the LORD will shield those who live in Jerusalem, so that the feeblest among them will be like David, and the house of David will be like God, like the Angel of the LORD going before them.  ( Zechariah 12:8)"


That is why in the Noble Quran, Allah Almighty Commanded all of the Angels to bow down to Adam!  The Righteous and true Believers from Mankind are even better than the Angels themselves.  They are the closest to Allah Almighty:

 And He taught Adam the nature of all things; then He placed them before the angels, and said: "Tell me the nature of these if ye are right."
 They said: "Glory to Thee, of knowledge We have none, save what Thou Hast taught us: In truth it is Thou Who art perfect in knowledge and wisdom."
 He said: "O Adam! Tell them their natures." When he had told them, God said: "Did I not tell you that I know the secrets of heaven and earth, and I know what ye reveal and what ye conceal?"
(Noble Verses 2:30-34)

By the way, on the literal sense, no one is like GOD Almighty:

"Tomorrow," Pharaoh said. Moses replied, "It will be as you say, so that you may know there is no one like the LORD our God.   (Exodus 8:10)"

"There is no one holy [ Or no Holy One ] like the LORD; there is no one besides you; there is no Rock like our God.  ( 1 Samuel 2:2)"

"For who in the skies above can compare with the LORD? Who is like the LORD among the heavenly beings?  (Psalm 89:6)"

"Who is like the LORD our God, the One who sits enthroned on high,  ( Psalm 113:5)"

2-  "....in OUR image...."

First of all, the word image also means example or similitude.  In Arabic, the two words are the same; "timthal" (image); "mathalona" (our image); which are all derived from the root word "mathal" (example), and I am sure that it is the same condition in Hebrew and Aramaic since all three languages are all sister languages.  Also in Arabic similitude means "shabah".  "Mutashabbihan" means to have a similitude of.

There is no question that the root words "mathal" and "shabah" in the Noble Quran were used for "example" and/or "similitude":

"Their similitude (mathalohum) is that of a man who kindled a fire; when it lighted all around him, God took away their light and left them in utter darkness. So they could not see.  (The Noble Quran, 2:17)"
"The similitude (mathal) of Jesus before God is as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him: "Be". And he was.  (The Noble Quran,3:59)"

so as we've seen above, "our likeness" only and only means knowing Good and evil in the Bible.  This makes both "our image (or example)" and "our likeness" refer to and mean the same thing.

It is important to notice that "OUR image" could also refer to the spirit of humans and not necessarily their earthly bodies.
n other words, it is not necessary that GOD Almighty has 10 fingers, 10 toes, ribs, lungs, heart etc... as humans have.  Also, if He is like us physically, then  Does he breath oxygen like us?   If not, then does He have lungs like us?

Does He eat?  If not, then does He have a stomach that digests and processes all of the food that it intakes like our stomachs do?
nd if GOD Almighty's Body doesn't process food, then why would He then need a bladder, kidney,like we do after we eat and drink, then what is the purpose of Him having these parts?  Or does He truly Have them??

hence it is clear that image and likeness ar nothing but methaphoric speech!

3-the WE in the Bible:
But he forsook the counsel of THE OLD MEN which they had given him, and took counsel with THE YOUNG MEN that were grown up with him, that stood before him. And he said unto them: 'What counsel give YE, that WE may return answer to this people, who have spoken to me, saying: Make the yoke that thy father did put upon us lighter?'" 2 Chronicles 10:6-9
In the Old days, only the "man in charge" would speak and would decide!  The rest kept silent.  So it is only normal and natural for the king to refer to himself and only himself as "we".

 The inference that "Let us make man in our image" (Genesis 1:26) refers to the plurality of God is refuted by the subsequent verse, which relates the creation of man to a singular God, "And God created man in His image" (Genesis 1:27).


 In this verse the Hebrew verb "created" appears in the singular form.
If "let us make man" indicates a numerical plurality, it would be followed in the next verse by, "And they created man in their image."


Obviously, the plural form is used in the same way as in the divine appellation 'Elohim, to indicate the all-inclusiveness of God's attributes of authority and power, the plurality of majesty.


It is customary for one in authority to speak of himself as if he were a plurality. Hence, Absalom said to Ahithophel, "Give your counsel what we shall do" (2 Samuel 16:20).

 The context shows that he was seeking advice for himself' yet he refers to himself as "we" (see also Ezra 4:16-19).

Hence the verse of Genesis 1:26-27 is NO PROOF FOR TRINITY!

12:16 AM Nov 18 2007

djguy

djguy
Bahrain

u still seem to argue upon the issue of holy spirit..

my friend ur Bible has double context at times...thats not my fault...but lemme try to explain..

just tell me what other logical explanation do u have after the comparison of the two verses from mathew1:18 and Luke1:26..
NOTHING..but to accept that the holy spirit was actually the angel Gabriel.

now u dont wanna twist this one!

I dont really understand ur chinese theory and i do not want to either..bcos u dont need to apply chinese theory here..we need proof..Solid Proof!

And yes..Trinity is still a mystery..for u ..for me..and for all those who beleive in  1+1+1 = 3..

and moreover even u admitt that Jesus NEVER taught Trinity, nor God Himself, but still u dont wanna quit,..now this is what is being stubborn and being blinded from truth!

 let us see what the Bible says about the Holy Spirit and see how the Bible itself explains that the Holy Ghost is not the one in trinity:

"When you send your Spirit, they are created, and you renew the face of the earth.  (  Psalm 104:30)"

"Where can I go from your Spirit? Where can I flee from your presence?  (Psalm 139:7)"

"Teach me to do your will, for you are my God; may your good Spirit lead me on level ground.  (Psalm 143:10)"

So far, these verses are talking about the Spirit from GOD Almighty.  The first verse above, Psalm 104:30, perfectly agrees with the Noble Verses above about GOD Almighty Blowing His Spirit into our mothers' wombs when we're fetus.

So does this now mean that the Holy Spirit, in the Bible, is part of GOD Almighty?

Absolutely not!  The Bible is filled with figurative speech.   The Holy Spirit mentioned above is a creation from GOD Almighty.  It's purpose is to create our spirits as mentioned in Psalm 104:30.  Another purpose for the Holy Spirit is to Guide the Believers:
1 Samuel 18:10 "The next day an evil spirit from God came forcefully upon Saul. He was prophesying in his house, while David was playing the harp, as he usually did. Saul had a spear in his hand..." 

GOD Almighty has an evil spirit?  Obviously not, it's only metaphoric as mentioned above.

1 Samuel 19:9 "But an evil spirit from the LORD came upon Saul as he was sitting in his house with his spear in his hand. While David was playing the harp,..." ANOTHER EVIL SPIRIT FROM GOD?!

1 Kings 22:22 " 'By what means?' the LORD asked. " 'I will go out and be a LYING spirit in the mouths of all his prophets,' he said. " 'You will succeed in enticing him,' said the LORD. 'Go and do it.'

1 Kings 22:23 "So now the LORD has put a lying spirit in the mouths of all these prophets of yours. The LORD has decreed disaster for you."

2 Chronicles 18:21 " 'I will go and be a lying spirit in the mouths of all his prophets,' he said. " 'You will succeed in enticing him,' said the LORD. 'Go and do it.'

Numbers 24:2 "When Balaam looked out and saw Israel encamped tribe by tribe, the Spirit of God came upon him"

Judges 3:10 "The Spirit of the LORD came upon him, so that he became Israel's judge and went to war. The LORD gave Cushan-Rishathaim king of Aram into
the hands of Othniel, who overpowered him."

Judges 6:34 "Then the Spirit of the LORD came upon Gideon, and he blew a trumpet, summoning the Abiezrites to follow him."

Judges 11:29 "Then the Spirit of the LORD came upon Jephthah. He crossed Gilead and Manasseh, passed through Mizpah of Gilead, and from there he advanced against the Ammonites."

Judges 14:6 "The Spirit of the LORD came upon him in power so that he tore the lion apart with his bare hands as he might have torn a young goat. But he told
neither his father nor his mother what he had done."

Judges 14:19 "Then the Spirit of the LORD came upon him in power. He went down to Ashkelon, struck down thirty of their men, stripped them of their belongings and gave their clothes to those who had explained the riddle. Burning with anger, he went up to his father's house."

Judges 15:14 "As he approached Lehi, the Philistines came toward him shouting. The Spirit of the LORD came upon him in power. The ropes on his arms became like charred flax, and the bindings dropped from his hands."

1 Samuel 10:6 "The Spirit of the LORD will come upon you in power, and you will prophesy with them; and you will be changed into a different person."

1 Samuel 10:10 "When they arrived at Gibeah, a procession of prophets met him; the Spirit of God came upon him in power, and he joined in their prophesying."

1 Samuel 11:6 "When Saul heard their words, the Spirit of God came upon him in power, and he burned with anger."

1 Samuel 16:13 "So Samuel took the horn of oil and anointed him in the presence of his brothers, and from that day on the Spirit of the LORD came upon David in power. Samuel then went to Ramah."

Luke 2:25 "Now there was a man in Jerusalem called Simeon, who was righteous and devout. He was waiting for the consolation of Israel, and the Holy Spirit was upon him."

There are, as I mentioned, several types of this Spirit as mentioned.  

So if Jesus is GOD because the Holy Spirit came upon him, then the others mentioned above should also be GOD Almighty too???

lemme help u...go back and compare mathews1:18 and Luke1:26 and u get a really convincing answer..The holy ghost is not a ONE in Trinity..its angel Gabriel!

 

11:55 PM Nov 17 2007

djguy

djguy
Bahrain

sory jiangly...i was out fr sm tym so cudnt reply...

but now im back..and i hope this time u get urself convinced!


the problem is u dont accept the truth..instead u try to twist and turn it around..
but if u be true to urself,be open-minded..u surely will reach the Truth..

It seems that u read or understand only 'part' of my replies..and then u say that im quoting out of context..

About the verse of John 1:1..why do want to put it aside?…Don’t run away from the Truth if u wanna reach the truth.

It is a translation mistake..and the verse is supposed to be “…and the word was GOD’S”(not GOD)

U said that i don't want speak out the Truth about the son of God.

Brother I did speak the truth..and I am again going  to prove it to you..

Firstly about about what ur point 1—

Both the verses u quoted prove that he is more nearer to God and signifies love and affection..

But natural, every prophet in his time was nearest to God..even David, even Adam, even Abraham..ALL PROPHETS…so y the special status to Jesus only??

AS I quoted erlier as well..i repeat it..

luke 3:38—

“…seth,which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.”

Hebrews 7:3—“without Father, without mother, without descent, having niether beginning of days nor end of life; but made like unto the son of God; abideth a preist continually.”

Who is “He”? The answer is in Hebrews 7:1—“Melchisedec, king of salem, preist of the most high God, who met Abraham..”

“Melchisedec” is more unique than Jesus or Adam and is also called in the Bible as son of God. So why is he not preffered to be son of God or God himself??

And Jesus IS ALSO NOT THE ONLY BEGGOTEN son of God..

Long before jesus was born God said to David:

   “Thou art my son, this day I he begotten thee”

This the truth that the Bible itself states..but u want to reject it??why?


u still dont agree with me??then read on..

the Bible's "Son of GOD" translation is wrong, because it literally means "Servant of GOD" as Islam clearly defines it. 
 I have shown ample evidence from Hebrew below.


 (Hebrew or Arabic)  to English Translation
 
Abbott..in Hebrew..Father
 
Abb..in Arabic..Father
 
Abel..in Hebrew..Breath or Son of
 
Abd..in Arabic..Servant of or Slave of

  Since "Abd" means "Servant of" in Arabic, and "Abel" means "Breath of" in Hebrew, then this means "Abel" in Hebrew could also mean "Servant of" or "Creation of", since it literally also means "Breath of".

Ben..in Hebrew..Son of
 
Bin..Arabic..Son of

Benie Elohim..Hebrew..Sons of GOD
 
Beni..Arabic..People of (as in Bani Israel, People of Israel)
 

Since "Beni" in Arabic means "People of", then this means that "Benie" in Hebrew also means "People of" or "Group of", or "Belongings of", which was falsely translated as "Sons of" throughout the entire Bible!


King James Version
Acts 3:25 - Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham,
And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.

Acts 3:26 - Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.
 
New King James Version

Acts 3:25 - You are the sons of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying to Abraham,
'And in your seed all the families of the earth shall be blessed.

Acts 3:26 - To you first, God, having raised up His Servant Jesus, sent Him to bless you, in turning every one of you away from his iniquities.
 
Do you see a difference between these two Bible versions?

In the KJV, we find that Jesus is God's Son. In the NKJV, we find that He is God's servant. These are clearly not the same! The Greek word found in the text here is "pais". It can be used in Greek for either "son" or "servant." So which one is correct here?
The solution is simple: look at the context in which it is used. COZ LATER DO NOT SAY THAT I QUOTED OUT OF CONTEXT.

 The passage is talking about "children," and "fathers" and "seed." The word "pais" means "son." But the New King James translators chose "servant." Why? They were not alone. The New World Translation, created by the Jehovah's Witnesses who deny the deity of Jesus, translated this word "servant" also. So do the NIV, ASV, NASB and other modern Bible translations.

Could it be that these modern translators disagree that "pais" can be translated "son?" No, the NKJV committee translates this very word as "boy," "child" or "son" in Matthew 2:16; 17:18; 21:15; Luke 2:43; 9:42; and John 4:51. Yet they refused to translate the word as "son" in this powerful sermon where Peter presents Jesus as Messiah and Son of God.

One has to ask, why were these translators so determined to deny the deity of Jesus in this passage? Is this a Bible you can trust with your eternal destiny?

Let us compare this with what God has to say about Jesus (pbuh):

Matthew 12:18: "Behold my servant, whom I have chosen."
Acts 3:13(RSV): "The God of Abraham, and of Isaac,.... hath glorified his servant Jesus."
Acts 4:27(RSV): "For of a truth against thy holy servant Jesus, whom thou hast anointed...."

The exact same word "pias" is attributed to Jacob(Israel) in Luke 1:54 and translated as "servant":
"He hath helped his servant Israel, in remembrance of his mercy;."

It is also applied to King David in Luke 1:69, and once again, it is translated as "servant":
"....the house of his servant David;" (also see Acts 4:25).

However, when it is applied to Jesus (e.g. Acts 3:13, Acts 4:27), NOW it is translated as "Son." (notice that it is not only translated as "son" but as "Son".)
 Why the double standard? Why the dishonest translation techniques?


"And verily, among them is a party who twist their tongues with the Scripture that you might think that it is from the Scripture but it is not from the Scripture; and they say, 'It is from Allah' but it is not from Allah; and they speak a lie against Allah while [well] they know it!"
The noble Qur'an, A'al-Umran(3):78

hOPE U ARE conviced and u have seen whose trying to cheat whom??

07:47 AM Nov 11 2007

MOLDEN
Morocco

all these killings and slaughtering are enaugh for me and everybody to qualify your race and other races as killers and racist.

If you go back to human history you will discover the following:

  • killing innocents and terrorism has no religion.
  • real believers accept differrences.
  • those who kill and destroy have ideaological and material background but not religious motives.
  • Unfortunately most genocides and killings are made in the name of religion(remember KOSOVO,IRLAND,CRUSADE,RECONQUISTA...etc)

i know by my experience that neither muslims,nor christians,nor jews are killers and criminals.they are believers:they believe in ONE GOD,IN JUSTICE,IN PEACE.the three religions respect human rights, life and the right to be different.Therefore,those who kill,destroy,eleminate dont deserve to be neither jews,nor christians,nor muslims.they do not even belong to human race they are simply devils.

i wait your fedback,and good luckSmile

 

 

07:29 AM Nov 11 2007

MOLDEN
Morocco

i see that you are furious when you said "killing coming from your race".

1-this is a racist statement 'coz we are all human beings even if we do not speak the same language and share  the same  beliefs.christians are not racist.

2- if we are different this means we can enrich each others' experences peacefully in tolerent way.So there no place for allegations and accusations.

3-what i said was simple questions and question marks i have in my mind i wanted to share.But your answer was an accusation more than a clarification. I liked karima's comment even if i am not totally concinced.

 it is true that killing and what we call 'terrorism' has become rampant in many countries especially muslims.this is a truth only blinds can deny it.But it is a big mistake to stick this phenomnen to a race or a religion, it is unfair.I believe that religions have come to save humans from their vices and bad insticts to make the world a better place.to spread justice and promote universal communication.the word religion is synonym to peace and order.terrorism ,however,means chaos and violence.

i agree that your judgement is based on what you see and what you know.But not all we see or learn is 100% true.If i adopte your method of judging things i must admit that all christians are killers and conquerors because:

1-they lead what they call '' Holly war against muslims in middles ages.

2-germans burnt jews in the WWII.

3-Europe had and still has colonies in all over the world where they loot their resources and  edxploited their peoples.

4-today USA.UK and NATO destroy irak afganistan ....

5-Israel kills thousands of pleasteanians and lebanease

 

every

07:29 AM Nov 11 2007

MOLDEN
Morocco

i see that you are furious when you said "killing coming from your race".

1-this is a racist statement 'coz we are all human beings even if we do not speak the same language and share  the same  beliefs.christians are not racist.

2- if we are different this means we can enrich each others' experences peacefully in tolerent way.So there no place for allegations and accusations.

3-what i said was simple questions and question marks i have in my mind i wanted to share.But your answer was an accusation more than a clarification. I liked karima's comment even if i am not totally concinced.

 it is true that killing and what we call 'terrorism' has become rampant in many countries especially muslims.this is a truth only blinds can deny it.But it is a big mistake to stick this phenomnen to a race or a religion, it is unfair.I believe that religions have come to save humans from their vices and bad insticts to make the world a better place.to spread justice and promote universal communication.the word religion is synonym to peace and order.terrorism ,however,means chaos and violence.

i agree that your judgement is based on what you see and what you know.But not all we see or learn is 100% true.If i adopte your method of judging things i must admit that all christians are killers and conquerors because:

1-they lead what they call '' Holly war against muslims in middles ages.

2-germans burnt jews in the WWII.

3-Europe had and still has colonies in all over the world where they loot their resources and  edxploited their peoples.

4-today USA.UK and NATO destroy irak afganistan ....

5-Israel kills thousands of pleasteanians and lebanease

 

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