Is Communism a good thing or a bad thing?(In a economic way)

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Until a few months back I had very bad views on communism. After seeing seeing the preset developments in the global economy I am having second thoughts now.

The reason for changing my minds were –

1) In the present global downturn, Indian banks and financial institutions have weathered the financial storm. This is thanks to the the govt controlled and regulated banking system in India. This has helped absorb the strains.

2) Tata-AIG is an Isurance agency , with AIG having23% stake. The Govt wanted to increase the FDI cap to 50%, the communists being part of the Govt, oppsed it and the "reform"did not happen. If the The reformed had gone on to see the light of day, TATA-AIG would have been in soup.

3) Devlopment in Kerala. Kerala a state in India, were the communists for the first time elected democratically in the world.The social development is really good, has 100% literacy, life expecteancy is 80+ years, has 1024:1000 women to man sex ratio.

4) China – Forget about tall rising buildings, China can show good figures in agricultural sector. many scientific methods have been implemented, and has better land to produce ratio than US.Living standerd of farmers is higher than compared to india.

5) they could bring about job security!!

on the flip side,

Communists are against religion, and can be very opperessive. In india they are natorious for thier "striks"(industrial lock downs). Party officials becomre richer and people in general poorer. 

Now the question are communists  a necessary evil?

PLEASE KEEP IN MIND

This is not about one party repressive  "communist" style functioning that functioned in Russia. 

Please Keep religion off this discussion

It is not important for me..

Karl Max was a religious person or not.. It is up to him..

Communism loves religions or not.. It is not important..

I just look relationship between me and Allah..

when i talk in politic, I have no religion, I have no naiton..!    

I am just human when i talk about politic…. A person should be free from her/his religion and naiton, when think about science and politic!

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I loce Socialism..and after i study medicine, i will start to study politic and international relationship in uni.. then Support Socialism..!

That's all… I am muslim.. But i don't care if the Socialism loves my religion or not…

At first, Just try to be a human..Not a muslim or religious of other religions..!

Everything is part of Allah(God)

So at first, Worship the all living things, humans…

And I think, Socialism is the best way to live in peace and as a HUMAN…

Everything need to be balanced including the social economy system. Capitalism shows advantage in motivating people to work hard, but it will drive some evil part out of people, such as greed, selfishness. and damage social stability if without control. socialism is good to maintain social stability and execute plan more efficiently. But it will discourage people because no matter how well and hard you work, you will get equal treatment with others. Since government has so much power without surveilliance, this will lead to corruption and bureaucracy. A hybrid of the two will work better and I think this hybrid systm will prevail in the future world.

Yes, everything needs to be balanced.

 From the first view, socialism looks as fair economic system which wants to save the rights of workers. But if we reconsideration and study all its sides we will find the contrary.

First of all, It is clash the instinct, which is the love of ownership. We can't ignore that. Which one of us doesn't like to buy his own car or to have his own house?

Don’t imagine that when you take the lands, factories, houses or any other production way from the hands of their owner to transfer it to group ownership that it will be easy. And you can see that if you intend to expropriate the property of people, if it was small or big, and take it away from them, that they will be subjected to what you want? No, I think in this case at all times and everywhere it will be killing and bloodshed. For example, they estimated that in Russia in the implementation of this project it had been killed about 19,000,000 persons! And about 4,000,000 to 5,000,000 leave the country.

Therefore we can see that there is no socialism or communism country still stand, except if it ruled people by force and fire like china nowadays and North Korea. 

And we will find the opposite of socialism is the capitalist system. Which all of us know its disadvantages and its Individualist. And it is prove his failure nowadays.

I think the capitalist exaggerated in the individual rights and communism or socialism exaggerated in remove this rights

.We need a system which mixes between those; we need a financial system which respects the rights of Individual and the rights of the group. We need a system which reduce the monopoly. We need a system which saves the rights of workers. And there is one.

."I am just human when i talk about politic…. A person should be free from her/his religion and nation, when think about science and politic!"

I disagree with you in this point my dear. Especially in the science, we must not forget the religion when we study sciences. Because I think that Quran will help science! For example, I read that there is a Muslim scientist (his name is Abdel Baset Al-Sayed) discover some kind of cure for the blindness from a Quranic verse. And we can't ignore the scientific signs that god had set down to us. About politic I agree with you, but i believe in democracy. if People choose that they don't want to ignore the religion we must respect what they want.

everything which is against human nature is evil and not fruitful.it can works for sometime,but shows its failure later.socialism creates anger inside frustrated populations while capitalism creates cruely.

concerning religion,it's a kind of ideology,too.so ,it 's not far from politics and some islamic laws are really good to follow  as an example,in islam the individual's properties are respected and efforts to have own wealth are encouraged,but the poors and the society has a right in this wealth.it's just an idea and it's up to humans to develop a system out of it.life matters are humans' business.they do what they thing it's better for them.they create system out of ideas(ideologies) and they may be right or wrong.just experience shows it.

Interesting theories nice!!!

Has any one thought how a democratically elected "communist" govt would perform?

3 states in India , Kerala, West Bengal and Tripura have "communist" govts. that are democratically elected.

apart form this only other country were communists were democratically elected is in Nepal.

I think a well regulated economy is the way forward, Even they it is slightly less efficient , it is safer. 

@M_honor

 Because I think that Quran will help science!

Can you give me examples? Science is not an adobe for any religion, Science is for humanity!!! 

If what is said is true then how many Muslims have won Nobel prize?-  It is not just for Muslims, it is for all Indians and Chinese!! these 3 communities have not more than 40 Nobel prizes.

Now once again this is where money power comes in, America has more than 300 Nobel prizes,  What has Saudi Arabia done with it's oil money??? Fund more books on "Scintific miracles" in a book!!!

M_honor… > My God is just Science, when i am at school.

I start to praying, when i come back home…

OK?

:))

Memooo This answer is for you!

>I prefer earning 1000 euro a month to see some poor and hungry people around me!

java,it's just talk and opinions.science is for humanity and all people can contribute.science is a tool and i agree that thecompetent  use it in USA more efficiently than any other islamic country.religions are ideas and thoughts and nothing to do with countries and people.it's universal and it's just our convictions and i prefer that all people share what they know.it's not a democratic way to prohibit any talk in the world.

can i cry, i think that if the idea of  god is not compatible with science just leave  believing in god!science is a tool to understand how the world works.that's all.  

First, I didn't want to involve religion in this discussion, but CanICry mentioned a point (has nothing to do in our discussion) and I wanted to comment on it.

Anyway I still don't want to involve the religion in this discussion as you want but you ask me a question and I have to answer.

Can you give me examples? Science is not an adobe for any religion, Science is for humanity!!!

 before i give you examples, you said that science is not an adobe for any religion, science is for humanity. Yes science is for humanity, but I think it is some kind of adobe to my religion because my religion didn't come in anything contravenes the science, on the contrary it support science simply, because he had been sent down by the creator of this humanity.

I will give you some examples as you asked,

God said in Quran, 1."Then he turned to the heaven when it was smoke"[41/11]

You can read more explain about this point in my blog.

2."Do not the unbeliever see that the heavens and the earth were sewn together and then we unstitched them and that we made from water every living thing? so will they not believe?"[Holy Quran 21.30]

the professor Palmer has announced his conversion to Islam when he heard this verse because it explain the Big Bang theory! want more explain

 www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SfuZw2DaGk&feature=related

3. In the same verse “and that we made from water every living thing"

and modern science has prove that any living thing consist a high proportion of water and if he spend 25% he will inevitably die because all chemical reactions in the cell happen in water medium.

4."And we who have build the heaven in hands and we still expand it" [Holy Quran:61.47]

You can read more about it in my blog.

5. The modern photographs of the seas proofed that seas don’t share the same characteristics of formation. They differ in their Tempe retune degree of salt density percentage of Oxygen. Photograph which has been picked by a satellite showed each sea in different colour. some of them are dark blue some other are black some are yellow It was basically due to the variation in temperature which surround in sheen each see The photogravure has been picked up according to the temperature characteristics . The modern means of science has found barrier between seas The water of the seas doesn’t Mix and intermix but controlled by their aviation characteristics. Water of seas may meet together yet deep separate as it there was a barrier or partition between then. Each ivy works to maintain its own peculiar char aclievistics . in this regard Quran says" He has let free the two bodies of the flowing water meeting to gather Between them is a barrier which they don’t tanagers (55:19-20) Therefore the Barrier maintains sustains the peculiar characteristics of each sea even if a group of seas meet together.

6. The earth's Geoid shape had been mentioned in Quran .

www.youtube.com/watch?v=wD7LgFiYtfI

Those were some scientific examples

Now once again this is where money power comes in, America has more than 300 Nobel prizes,  What has Saudi Arabia done with it's oil money???

That is what I hope to know too!. You can ask the Saudi government where its oil money is diverted to?! I think we all know! And that what make man crazy!

If what is said is true then how many Muslims have won Nobel prize?-  It is not just for Muslims, it is for all Indians and Chinese!! these 3 communities have not more than 40 Nobel prizes.

Ohh Dawn!!! Why ppl always get me wronge..

I didn't say that I believe in Science. and i am atheist!!

But u r trying to judge me with my ideas about communism!

Why don't muslim ppl like communism..? Becoz they think that comunism againt to ISLAM..

it is right ot wronge.. Communism likes islam or not!

It doesn't interest me.. I just look my work!

Nobody has to like me or my religion..But everyone has to respect me and my religion,ISLAM…

I just said that!