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I meant this for Nu Pagoda, a fellow American and english speaker. It’s very long as a result. Sorry for the length. Just two Americans in disagreement.
You can do research you have the same advantages I have. Or perhaps any or all of the Palestinians or Egyptians reading this could help you. Egypt negotiated a peace settlement which all sides were considering a few hours before ISREAL sent a directed munition to kill the leader of Hamas’ military arm. Maybe you think that’s ok, I don’t. Offering peace to lure a target into the open so you can kill him is just bushwhacking and since you are also American, you know the history of bushwacking in our nations past. The very first death after they started looking at peace was Isreal murdering a leader of the Palestinians. Maybe he was a terrorist but we aren’t too thrilled with many world leaders, we don’t go out and kill them. So they elected Hamas, is that the only objectionable government on the planet? They have an unalienable right to self-determination, it only becomes our business because they keep killing us. The number of rockets launched in 2012 is irrrelevent. Isreal could have responded at any time. Doing so after an offer of peace is kind of crap Hitler did. Just like Hitler demanded the disarming of invaded nations. Just like he promised they could all trust them to be good right before he rounded them up for death. Speaking of which, since many of the Jews in Isreal have German roots, why aren’t they demanding their lands and homes back so they can return to Berlin? Because Europe wanted them in Palestine and they did too.
The Ottomans were Muslim too. Palestine seems to have been ok with them. They decided to fight the UK because had they won they would have taken what is now Pakistan from the British Empire. They lost and the UK took Palestine. They gave it to Jewish refugees. Spoils of war. A legitimate claim with no religion involved. Shame on the Ottomans for joining a European war. Shame on the US for being dragged into it by allied lies and greed.
No one except the Muslims call this a Crusade. They use the term as propaganda the way our govt uses the word Terrorist.
Part Cherokee and part Seminole. Enrolled? Either way, part means squat. You are not them and you staying dilutes the purity of the blood. That’s what we are talking here right? Racial purity? This is my land because of my blood ancestry? I’ll save room for you on the boat. The French part of my ancestry came over in the early 1600s. There is Algonquin and Dakota in my woodpile. So what, I’m not enrolled and like everyone here, I’m as much a mutt as you are. So unless your enrolled, we are both gone. And if you are enrolled, do you mind if we take ALL of our stuff as we leave? You can go back to your stone age existence and just hope one of the other colonial powers doesn’t return. You’d have about ten minutes before you became Mexican.
Actually I was in Kansas this morning. I live about 25 miles from there. So?
Japan killed so many because they don’t see themselves as decendents of Chinese people, they rightly see themselves after thousands of years of a single government as Japanese. But in the mountains are the natives of those islands, still living like second class citizens.
Tell Obama, he won’t listen. They play that race card like a game. It’s been 150 years and they still dredge it up. But do any of the rest of us care? Are you planning to support reparations? Crap happens, get over it and move on. Can they go back to Africa and just take back whatever they had before they became “guests” of the New World? Can I go back to Co. Claire and take back my families land? They were starved off it by the Brits, can I sue them?
Old wounds fester. Is that what you want? Yes, all those who fought then are dead. If you think a zombie war is the answer then fine, My point was, dead people don’t fight. Feuds with no beginning need to end. If you count blood you can go back forever with most races. You say you are Cherokee, where are the Cherokee who blow up school busses to reclaim Florida? There aren’t any because the terrorist tactics of the Palestinians are purest evil and they are too deceived to see that. I KNOW the history, yours and theirs. I’m saying they can fight for another thousand years or they can end this. Old war claims from more than a century ago, back in the days of Colonial powers and Royal adventuring are too old to be litigated. As you pointed out the land has been a prize of war repreatedly, you have to pick some time to start the Modern Age and 1900 encompasses the beginning of the period when regular people could finally travel the world. Its one of humanitys oldest festering wounds. Maybe its time it was cleaned out and allowed to heal. Your people were on the Trail of Tears. An old wound and an old disgrace on our nation. Does it still fester? Do you really want Florida back? Or have your people recognized that the stupidity of the long dead is no reason to continue killing their offspring? Or that times and the expectations of time change. It’s time to heal this wound even if that means letting maggots eat the rot.
All that you say about Carter and Clinton are true, also the people they talk to. I was alive then also. I remember when that was going on. Again, so what? Should we not try to help find peace? Should we give up because they failed then? We are wrong to keep trying?
We gave back Iraq after a war. We gave back Italy after a war. We gave back Grenada after a war. We gave back Panama after a war. We gave back Mexico after a war. We protected Germany from Soviet Expansion after a war. Of course, they now hate us like we are the cause of all problems but we did protect their Nazi butts. What were you doing when you should have been studying civics? What land have we kept after what war? As for the rest of the world, screw them. We left there for a reason. Maybe they don’t return land but we do. And you should know that.
As an American, you should know we fail all the time to live up to our values. Slavery is our worst example but examples continue to this day. We still try. We still get up every day and try to create a world of equality. We fight and we argue and we even hate, but we haven’t shot rockets at each other in a while. We still strive to be better. They can too. You are wrong not to expect them to act like adults. They are both wrong here.
It IS Hatfield McCoy stupidity. They don’t know or care how this started. They don’t agree on thier family legends so like most blood feuds, they don’t fight for the original cause, they fight because Uncle Anse said so. (for the non-Americans, Devil Anse Hatfield was leader of one of the families in one of my nations most famous blood feuds) Or the Montagues and Capulets maybe.
Still you are right about one big thing, no other group wars like the Muslims. Given the constant chants of Death to America Death to Isreal and the nearly constant threat of sudden murder they continue to support, if you want to remove them all from among the living, I’m not losing sleep. They are the only major group left on earth that still wars like it’s 1940. Even if they all went, it would only reduce the earths population by less than 20% and would free up vast resources for the rest of us who frankly aren’t Jewish or Muslim and are pretty sick of children fighting. I support peaceful non-violent resistence but if they can’t manage that, the world is better off with out all of them. If there’s ever another nuclear weapon used in anger, I think a muslim will be involved and whoever that is will blame Isreal. Everything is Isreals fault that isn’t America’s fault unless your Isreali then everything is a Muslim problem. It’s all just people who want to fight and want to kill in the name of God. Disgusting. I have read enough comments from Jews and Muslims concerning this that my final opinion, final meaning if you want me to drone on more then send me a message, is that this whole situation is just disgusting.
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