Is Communism a good thing or a bad thing?(In a economic way)

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Until a few months back I had very bad views on communism. After seeing seeing the preset developments in the global economy I am having second thoughts now.

The reason for changing my minds were –

1) In the present global downturn, Indian banks and financial institutions have weathered the financial storm. This is thanks to the the govt controlled and regulated banking system in India. This has helped absorb the strains.

2) Tata-AIG is an Isurance agency , with AIG having23% stake. The Govt wanted to increase the FDI cap to 50%, the communists being part of the Govt, oppsed it and the "reform"did not happen. If the The reformed had gone on to see the light of day, TATA-AIG would have been in soup.

3) Devlopment in Kerala. Kerala a state in India, were the communists for the first time elected democratically in the world.The social development is really good, has 100% literacy, life expecteancy is 80+ years, has 1024:1000 women to man sex ratio.

4) China – Forget about tall rising buildings, China can show good figures in agricultural sector. many scientific methods have been implemented, and has better land to produce ratio than US.Living standerd of farmers is higher than compared to india.

5) they could bring about job security!!

on the flip side,

Communists are against religion, and can be very opperessive. In india they are natorious for thier "striks"(industrial lock downs). Party officials becomre richer and people in general poorer. 

Now the question are communists  a necessary evil?

PLEASE KEEP IN MIND

This is not about one party repressive  "communist" style functioning that functioned in Russia. 

Please Keep religion off this discussion

Maybe a little late but I answer. 

Yes, dissipator, I'm old Russian. Even more I'm old Soviet Russian.

Tomjan, what achievements?

First, absence of unemployment. In the Soviet Union nobody care about losing job. It was impossible. 

Second, stability, confidence in the future. Possibility to go in for job you like, not caring about money.  

Third, free medicine. You was sure you would get qualified medical aid in any case either you have a medical insurance  or not. 

Fourth, free education. Everybody had possibility to get any higher education you wants, depending only on your own knowledge not your money. 

Fifth, low crime rate.

@Konstka

>Tomjan, what achievements?

hymm,
In my opinion things mentioned by You are only "assumptions/holy wishes" of social system and have never been achieved in real life (at least in poland). What was achieved was artificial.

>First, absence of unemployment. In the Soviet Union nobody care

>about losing job. It was impossible.

artificial employment

>Second, stability, confidence in the future. Possibility to go in

>for job you like, not caring about money.

artificial economy system

>Third, free medicine. You was sure you would get qualified

>medical aid in any case either you have a medical insurance  or not.

artificial medicine

>Fourth, free education. Everybody had possibility

>to get any higher education you wants, depending

>only on your own knowledge not your money.

i think that polish science is far behind of world race.


>Fifth, low crime rate.

artificial free press.
I also thought that during red times was low crime rate, till I once day found police statistics->two crime per day with firearm… today i think that low crime rate was only artificial feeling based on absence of information in press.

Some of us are regretting this times some of us no. I'm the second one because I realize that I will be paying all my life (health,money,time) for 50 years of communism paranoia (read 'artificial welfare')... 

but Konstka, communism is the past time. let's forget about it. let's care about  future … for us and our kids. let's make love not… communism

marry Christmas and happy new year Konstka.

Be happy and healthy.  

tom 

Communism is not the answer. The goverment can set rules about the rights, regulation in market, education, and etc.,but the whole idea of communism is a rape to the rigths of a nation.

And is not sostainable, because the socialist nations needs a capitalism nation to provide them money.

sigh!! coming to think of it, people elect communist govt.'s her. 

 And is not sostainable, because the socialist nations needs a capitalism nation to provide them money

Rightly said Mr Pmosh

A communist state(kerala,West bengal) take money from capitalist India and other states!!

Hi Tom,

Thank you very much for your congratulations. I wish you Marry Christmas and Happy New Year too. I wish you to be happy, healthy and wealthy and hope that following year will bring you only good luck. 

And now, let's come back to our topic.

All achievements I mentioned earlier are not “assumptions/holy wishes”, as you said, it was the reality. I can compare what was in the past and what is going on now. I don't want to say that socialist system was perfect. It had a great amount of various flaws. But I cannot be calm when I see how everything that was good is systematically being destroyed now, in Russia of course. 

Artificial employment, artificial economy system, artificial medicine what is it? Can you explain what do you mean saying “artificial”.

I also thought that during red times was low crime rate, till I once day found police statistics->two crime per day with firearm… today i think that low crime rate was only artificial feeling based on absence of information in press.

Where did you find that statistics? Did you find a police archive or you read about it in a press? Are you sure that your information source is true. One question. Could be organized crime during socialist times? 

Some of us are regretting this times some of us no.

I'm not regretting. I'm pretty wealthy and happy now. But something …..

but Konstka, communism is the past time. let's forget about it. let's care about  future … for us and our kids. let's make love not… communism 

Yes, communism is the past but communism is the future as well. Merely humanity is not ready to be communist now. Time will tell. Then, OK, let's care about future and make love 

whole idea of communism is a rape to the rigths of a nation.

 Can you explain this idea more detailed?

 
The Universal Declaration of Human Rights

Here are some reasons why I say Communism, is a violation to the rights of a nation,

 Article 4

No one shall be held in slavery or servitude.

No one shall be subjected to arbitrary interference with his privacy, family, home or correspondence, nor to attacks upon his honour and reputation. Everyone has the right to the protection of the law against such interference or attacks.

(1) Everyone has the right to own property alone as well as in association with others.

(2) No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his property.

You speak about the old Russia, but could you mention the other countries that are communist and respect the rights of their community? Or to be sostainable doesn´t has to brake the Article 4?

Well, I say it again, Capitalism could looks like a robery from the rich people, but is the way that the nation claims their rigths what make the diference, not just blame the system. If the polititians are corrupt there is no system that would serve.

Hello Konstka,

>I wish you Marry Christmas and Happy New Year too. I wish you to

>be happy, healthy and wealthy

many thanks,

>and hope that following year will bring you only good luck.

many thanks again,(I hope so too )


>All achievements I mentioned earlier are not “assumptions/holy

>wishes”, as you said, it was the reality. I can compare what was

>in the past and what is going on now. I don't want to say that

>socialist system was perfect. It had a great amount of various

>flaws. But I cannot be calm when I see how everything that was

>good is systematically being destroyed now, in Russia of course.

sorry I can't find any good point in the red times. but maybe i'm too young for it.
(but if I find one, I prommise, I will back here and write it down)

>Can you explain what do you mean saying “artificial”.

>Artificial employment,

if there is work for 8 person and after "order from above" is employed 10 person only because "communism does't know unemployment"...

>artificial economy system,

Totally unreal the fiscal system -> when state decides on prices, the amount of salary, and even limits on the sale of specific goods.when state is steering domestic demand and supply of articles.(please read about "shortage economy", about "turn up" & "chilling" policies). do You remember the rate of inflation?

> artificial medicine what is it? Can you explain what do you mean

>saying “artificial”.

I'm not thinking about situations when you got flu. but about situations when you need sophisticated medical treatment.
hymmm, do you know what is 'consilium'? my Grandma told me how it looked (she was working close with doctors as hospital administrator): "this, this,this,this,this,this and also this man must die but we do everything what we are able to do for this two young person – please GOD help us…" (mostly HE couldn't help because of permanently lack of diagnostics tools….) many of docs with my Grandma has worked decided on emigration to the west because of this horrible situation in polish medicine…


>Where did you find that statistics? Did you find a police archive
>or you read about it in a press?

it was a report in truly free press (published after 1989, prepared on police archives)

>Are you sure that your information source is true.

no (of course it could be "sponsored" report)

>One question. Could be organized crime during socialist times?

could be.

(I couldn't believe like you if one day my father told me part of history of his life:
 "...when was young, was "wearing black hat" many times in such crime organization which have had many ideas how to make money&power on human blood&suffering.    fortunately his crime career has finished after one of gangs battles… and he became really good man. please ask what ever You want but this thread of my conversation leave in peace…)

really could be, but now I know that we have had no possibility to hear about it… (because of artificial free press)


>Merely humanity is not ready to be communist now.

I agree,

>Time will tell.

I hope so. And I hope that we will find possibility to meet together drink few bottles  and talk about/summarize it.

>Then, OK, let's care about future and make love

I'm really glad Konstka that despite different opinions in matter of communism we are able to agree in last point

I think that communism is a great theory. It doesn't work too well in real life though I think. It assumes that everyone will work together doing all that they can to make the world a better place. It would be nice if people did that but they don't.

Also, economically it lessens the specialized possessions like doctors so there are fewer and fewer. Technology never increases so if there are outside countries then they will surpass the communist country.

So in order for true communism to work then everyone would need to work together 100% and would need to be as technologically advanced as possible. Perhaps we will get there in a few thousand years, but that is unlikely.

Oh, or communism could be taken on temporarily. That wouldn't be so bad…

Excuse me Mr. Pmosh, but I think you are absolutely wrong. On the contrary, the very idea of the communism is to build a free society based on the rule of law with every  and equal human rights. The society where none could be exploit another one, where one's work would be aimed to increase the wellbeing of the others as well as his own. The society where work becomes the necessity as the any other needs and brings only satisfaction.

You speak about the old Russia, but could you mention the other countries that are communist and respect the rights of their community? Or to be sostainable doesn´t has to brake the Article 4?

First of all, I haven't known about existence of any communist country in the world at all. Secondly, I can talk only about Russia because I do not  know enough about the other counties. But I can say that soviet people had all those rights you mentioned. The violation of the human rights not depends on the political system of the country. I can give you examples of capitalist countries where human rights were being violated.

Well, I say it again, Capitalism could looks like a robery from the rich people, but is the way that the nation claims their rigths what make the diference, not just blame the system. 

Don't it seems to you that if you need to claim your rights then it means that these rights are violated, are they?  

All the history of the capitalist countries is a struggle of people for their rights because these rights have been always violated.

If the polititians are corrupt there is no system that would serve.

I agree.